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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Response from my MP

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exLibDem · 02/07/2024 22:58

Finally heard back from my MP. Am feeling very angry and let down. I know I'm not the only one here who feels politically homeless.

This is an extract from the response:

"I am very clear that single-sex safe spaces for women are essential and must be protected. I also recognise that trans women have the right to dignity and safety too and will need to be able to access toilets, changing rooms and other single-sex facilities when going about their daily life.

The Equality Act 2010 already entitled trans women to use women’s facilities and this happens all the time, without many of us being aware. Indeed, predatory men wishing to access a ladies’ loo or shop changing room do not need to go through any process to do so – these spaces are not policed and nor could they practically be, without checking inside women’s underwear, which would be a gross violation of all women’s rights.

We cannot exclude trans people from society or force trans women to use single-sex facilities for men because of our concerns about predatory men. The law in our country has respected people’s right to self-identify for twenty years now, with safeguards to avoid abuse.

The Equality Act protects both hard-won women’s rights and trans rights, and shows that the two are not in conflict. In the case of prisons, hospitals and refuges, entry for all people – regardless of gender – is based on a risk assessment. It is proper that individual institutions and organisations implement their own policies according to the needs and wellbeing of their service users."

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UpThePankhurst · 04/07/2024 15:16

SpanielintheWorks · 04/07/2024 13:19

There aren't any. My student daughter silently seethes as male students barge into female loos with impunity 'because they know better than you about their gender identity.'

Maybe some are sincere, maybe not, but they are all equally alarming, annoying and male.

Exactly. Their 'authenticity' and inner life expression and validation of sense of self and other wankery all comes at the price of her as an equal human - her privacy and dignity and safety aren't even relevant, never mind her inner self. All the stuff about 'identifying as' is part of the literal bollocks. Without said bollocks they wouldn't have the power to trample women in their expression of their womanly essence and force everyone to indulge it. It's a demonstration of their power through being male and her lack of it by not being.

Her experience is exactly the same if the male in front of her has had surgery or not, hormones or not, has deeply held feelings or not, or has a piece of paper with a legal fiction on it or not. It's shit for her. And that this does not matter is exactly why her spaces and rights have to be defended by law.

SpanielintheWorks · 04/07/2024 15:35

Thank you.

I've heard another parent say 'the girls all hate it, but that's how it is these days so what can you do?'

UpThePankhurst · 04/07/2024 15:40

Raise your girls not to be subhuman resources for men possibly? Stand up to entitled men? Don't give in to tantrums?

So sorry your dd has to deal with this

SpanielintheWorks · 04/07/2024 15:56

She has brothers. She does martial arts. She has a strong, decided personality. And she knows (as do we) that her university and residence would back the male's right to be there.

Omlettes · 04/07/2024 20:20

SpanielintheWorks · 04/07/2024 15:35

Thank you.

I've heard another parent say 'the girls all hate it, but that's how it is these days so what can you do?'

Its fatalism like that that drives me mad with frustration. I've heard it my whole life from women and men.
Its a cop out excuse that maintains injustice as the status quo.
Its even more destructive than those actively doing harm.
Every bad thing is enabled by apathy.

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