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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour Campaign for Trans Rights

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MidCleg · 29/06/2024 22:44

From 2019, but Angela Rayner, a key signatory of this has so far refused steadfastly to denounce it.

Labour Campaign for Trans Rights: Pledges

  1. Accept the material reality that trans people are oppressed and discriminated against in British society, facing a rising risk of hate crime, and difficulty accessing public services, healthcare, housing and employment.
  1. Believe that trans liberation must be an objective of the Labour Party, and that transphobia is antithetical to our collective aims.
  1. Commit to respecting trans people as their self-declared gender, and to ensure that the Labour Party is an inclusive environment for trans people.
  1. Accept that trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary people are non-binary.
  1. Accept that there is no material conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, and that all trans women are subject to misogyny and patriarchal oppression.
  1. Listen to trans comrades on issues of transphobia and transmisogyny, allowing trans people to lead the way on our own liberation.
  1. Support the work of trans members and organisers within the Labour movement, including supporting motions on a local, regional and national level which are presented for the furthering of trans liberation.
  1. Oppose transphobic motions which run contrary to our own party equalities policy, and support the NEC striking down such motions on this basis.
  1. Organise and fight against transphobic organisations such as Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and other trans-exclusionist hate groups.
  1. Support the expulsion from the Labour Party of those who express bigoted, transphobic views.

11.Support reform of the Gender Recognition Act to improve transgender rights, as well as supporting policies which would improve trans people’s access to necessary healthcare, housing, and employment.

  1. Organise against and oppose any further transphobic policy from our own party or any other.

These are the sensible, progressive, forward-thinking MP bastions of women's rights that signed it.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Salford and Eccles
Angela Rayner, Ashton-under-Lyne
Lisa Nandy, Wigan
Karl Turner, East Hull
Nadia Whittome, Nottingham East
Dawn Butler, Brent Central
Emily Thornberry, Islington South and Finsbury
Alex Sobel, Leeds North West
Zarah Sultana, Coventry South
Clive Lewis, Norwich South
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

Posting without comment, because really no comment is required

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdwPyenUicSJgKv1YTknZ47gDGU4bb_389zYbqH10TGSTRrpg/viewform

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/06/2024 01:51

What a list of the brightest and best Confused

lonelywater · 30/06/2024 02:01

Well that's all eminently sensible and not fucking barking at all. As has been suggested elsewhere the fact Stonewall has been suspicously quiet of late rather lends credence to back stairs deals being down with Labour. The next few years are going to be "interesting".

MidCleg · 30/06/2024 10:41

lonelywater · 30/06/2024 02:01

Well that's all eminently sensible and not fucking barking at all. As has been suggested elsewhere the fact Stonewall has been suspicously quiet of late rather lends credence to back stairs deals being down with Labour. The next few years are going to be "interesting".

It is Iain Anderson (ex Stonewall or maybe even still a trustee ) who is advising Labour on trans rights.

This is exactly why Labour are being so slippery and can never ever answer simple questions on women's rights (hi Jane). Why the words "safe spaces" are used and never "single sex spaces".
Keir isn't being stupid when he does this. It will be his get-out clause when he brings in Stonewall's new GRC plan.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 30/06/2024 10:47

Lots of you "must accept" and "must believe's" in there.

it's not a manifesto; its a religious credo.

ThatOpenSwan · 30/06/2024 10:52

This is a bit heartening - one reason I won't vote Labour is the horrible transphobia, but at least there are some people in the party who aren't completely awful on this issue.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/06/2024 10:54

This is a bit heartening - one reason I won't vote Labour is the horrible transphobia

Grin
MidCleg · 30/06/2024 10:57

ThatOpenSwan · 30/06/2024 10:52

This is a bit heartening - one reason I won't vote Labour is the horrible transphobia, but at least there are some people in the party who aren't completely awful on this issue.

Is there a reason why you would like creepy men in dresses in vulnerable spaces with women and girls?

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mcduffy · 30/06/2024 21:17

That manifesto hasn't aged well.
MANifesto Grin

Ingenieur · 30/06/2024 21:25

Accept the material reality that...

Since when has material reality come close to gender identity ideology?

Also...

Issues of transphobia and transmisogyny

It's really all about men again, isn't it?

mountaingoatsarehairy · 30/06/2024 21:26

Yeah not gonna vote for labour. New plan - vote for someone else and tell everyone I voted labour/ fuck them

UpThePankhurst · 30/06/2024 21:32

Aaaaaand how do we think that might stand up in court?

You know, based on the cases so far, and the quite staggering prejudice, bigotry and misogyny on show there?

PorcelinaV · 30/06/2024 21:44

So throw anyone out that doesn't agree with your reality-denying nonsense then, and claim it's some great "liberation" movement.

WickedSerious · 30/06/2024 21:47

What's 'trans liberation' when it's out and about?

WickedSerious · 30/06/2024 21:48

ThatOpenSwan · 30/06/2024 10:52

This is a bit heartening - one reason I won't vote Labour is the horrible transphobia, but at least there are some people in the party who aren't completely awful on this issue.

I'm thrilled for you.

RubyTrees · 01/07/2024 02:09

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 03:13

Lots of members of Labour are all in on this - this Labour councillor's views are mind-boggling 🤯

How can Martin Abrams talk complete rubbish and still keep a straight face? He seems to think Isla Bryson “didn’t happen”! How can anyone lie so many times in a 12 minute interview?

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/07/2024 02:43

Yup, I love the way he confidently states that no men have ever been put in a women's prison and definitely no rapists. He accuses Julia of scare mongering and refuses to listen to her giving him examples of it happening.

I really don't think it's possible to be that totally unaware of recent happenings without putting some actual effort into ignoring any media other than The Guardian 🤔

UpThePankhurst · 01/07/2024 07:46

That's is his identified reality.

However as a wise MNetter commented, we don't live there.

Goddessofcatkind · 01/07/2024 07:57

WickedSerious · 30/06/2024 21:47

What's 'trans liberation' when it's out and about?

The freedom of a man in a dress to do whatever he damn well pleases and little whinging fuckers women keep their opinionated gobs shut.

UpThePankhurst · 01/07/2024 11:35

And provide themselves submissively and obediently to enablement of his needs.

Whether this involves undressing beside him, peeing beside him, providing the thrill of presence while he pees with the door wide open or has a wank and sexually dominates and intimidates, providing used tampons should he wish to experience inserting some up his bum, or permitting intimate examinations or telling your rape story in a way that you would not do with any other male but will do for him to prove your 'respect' for his identity.

We won't mention his 'respect' for you in all this, because there isn't any.

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