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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Coordinating spoilt ballots

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Binglebong · 29/06/2024 12:38

I know there is a thread about have you spoilt your ballot but this is slightly different.

I'm trying to hold my nose and vote for someone but there is not a single potential MP in my constituency who does not disgust me. I don't want to vote Reform or someone as a protest as it might be seen that they have more support than they do. So the liklihood is that I will spoil my vote.

I know spoilt votes only really get looked at if there is a huge number or if the vote is close. But just in case I was wondering if it is worth having the same thing written on all of them to show that it is a massive issue that is losing them votes. What would you suggest (if you think it is a good idea).
Respect my sex if you want my X is a good one but is it the best?

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murasaki · 29/06/2024 17:35

Putting an x in two boxes and then writing is a good idea.

I'm now thinking x for tory and lib dem, then writing 'i don't want a tory or a suspected wife beater but at least they know what a woman is unlike the others '

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 17:44

murasaki · 29/06/2024 17:35

Putting an x in two boxes and then writing is a good idea.

I'm now thinking x for tory and lib dem, then writing 'i don't want a tory or a suspected wife beater but at least they know what a woman is unlike the others '

Your LD candidate knows what a woman is? That's rare in the LDs!

Hadalifeonce · 29/06/2024 17:44

I think it's very important if you are politically homeless, you should spoil your paper. It's always disappointing if there is a low turnout, as a PP said, it looks like apathy. If, however, there is a large turnout and a large number of ballot papers are spoiled, it's sends a message.

murasaki · 29/06/2024 17:46

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 17:44

Your LD candidate knows what a woman is? That's rare in the LDs!

Only when being chastised by the tory party for allegedly assaulting his pregnant wife. No charges were brought. He's now our lib d candidate. Happy days.

murasaki · 29/06/2024 17:47

Honestly, you'd think they think we don't Google the candidates, especially when we recognise the name but can't quite place it.

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:48

anyolddinosaur · 29/06/2024 17:28

Politicians judge their "legitimacy" by the size of their majorities AND by whether people turn out to vote. Hold your nose and vote for a party and they'll claim you support everything in their manifesto, although that is obviously bollocks.

Spoil your ballot paper and you send a message that you want to vote (and will in subsequent elections) but you dont support them. I've used "none of the above" before (and all boxes crossed through) but I like writing in Party of Women for this election.

All politicians know there will be other elections and I like indicating what I do want to vote for. I am still considering whether to vote for the tories, though, as a landslide is not good for democracy.

Someone is going to get elected whichever way you cut it. The least worst is surely better than 'whatever'.

BackToLurk · 29/06/2024 17:50

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:48

Someone is going to get elected whichever way you cut it. The least worst is surely better than 'whatever'.

Why?

murasaki · 29/06/2024 17:52

I certainly don't want to base my vote on who is the least shit.

Given there's barely a rizla paper between the lot of them for various reasons

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 17:53

Especially when the least shit still have policies which cross my red lines. 🤷‍♀️

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:53

BackToLurk · 29/06/2024 17:50

Why?

Because trying to effect change doesn't stop at the General election booth.

WitcheryDivine · 29/06/2024 17:54

It’s vanishingly unlikely that anyone will look at a spoilt ballot paper beyond a few bored council workers at the count, sorry.

EdithStourton · 29/06/2024 17:54

Corinthiana · 29/06/2024 14:19

Genuinely, it's a waste of time. It just gives extra work at the count and they're not really the people who will institute change.
Just stay at home if there isn't a good candidate.

I want to make the point that I want to vote, but there isn't a single one who inspires my trust. Staying at home just looks like laziness or apathy.

Plus, as my DM pointed out to me many times, women died so I could do this.

So no, the raging misogyny of the Labour and LibDem leadership will not keep me out of the polling booth.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 17:56

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:53

Because trying to effect change doesn't stop at the General election booth.

Voting for a party lets them think that you're supporting their entire manifesto. You don't get a half vote to say you don't wholly agree, or a box to say which bits you love and hate. If there are no parties which don't have 'red line' issues in their manifestos, then it's not possible to vote, as you'd be giving a mandate for things you absolutely don't agree with. So no, it's not better to vote for them and then try to change it. The ship has very much sailed then!

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:59

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 17:53

Especially when the least shit still have policies which cross my red lines. 🤷‍♀️

@murasaki @NoWordForFluffy

Irrespective of your views or mine. One of them will get in.

BackToLurk · 29/06/2024 18:02

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:53

Because trying to effect change doesn't stop at the General election booth.

I live in a constituency with a pretty standard offer of Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, Greens & Reform. I have contacted all the candidates in my constituency to ask about their views on single-sex spaces & amendment to the Equality Act. None have replied. So I go back to what I know of them and their party. Greens & Lib Dems are a no way on their position on GRA reform. Reform are a no way because they are Reform. Any of these three will finish way behind the other 2 anyway at it is a Labour target seat and a two way race. That leaves the Tory incumbent & Labour. I don't trust Labour on women's rights, which is a central issue for me (I'm not arguing the toss about this except to say if my central issues was housing or the NHS, no one would bat an eye about basing a voting decision on those). So we have the Tory, who by and large I don't agree with on anything. Which of these is the least worst? And why would voting for any of them have any impact whatsoever? How would it 'effect change'?

InvisibleBuffy · 29/06/2024 18:03

I have voted in every single election, both local and national, since I was 18. I have always taken voting incredibly seriously, to the point that I believe it is everyone's civic duty.
But what am I supposed to do now? I have read the manifestos and listened to each party, but ny conscience will not let me vote for any of them on ethical grounds.
There's a big difference between holding my nose and voting Labour like the life-long leftie that I am, and actively voting for a party that will effectively decimate women's rights and whose leader showed incredible disdain towards a woman raising concerns about it on the radio yesterday.
The Tories are incompetent and corrupt. They have decimated public services and the economy. The Greens and LibDems are even worse for women.
I wish there was a single party that I felt I could give a vote to and not feel like I'd betrayed my principles.
I don't want to just not vote. I'm not apathetic. I'm furious.
I don't really see any other option. I don't believe it will make much of a difference - just as my single vote on its own is unlikely to make one. Spoiling my vote is the least shitty option out of a bunch of them.
I was thinking of 'Support Rosie Duffield, you cowards' (with a big squiggle over all candidates so its clear its none).

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 18:04

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:59

@murasaki @NoWordForFluffy

Irrespective of your views or mine. One of them will get in.

Well, yeah, obviously. I don't have to give them my mandate though.

murasaki · 29/06/2024 18:05

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 17:59

@murasaki @NoWordForFluffy

Irrespective of your views or mine. One of them will get in.

While this is sadly true, I feel it is important to to go to the polling booth and express my opinion and to do something that holds true to my beliefs. Which in the current circumstances is to put more than one x in so they have to check, and state my views. It's better than staying at home when, as others have said, women died so I could vote.

It's not their fault that the choices are the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible as someone once described hunting.

Twoshoesnewshoes · 29/06/2024 18:09

Are you thinking
respect my sex if you want my x?
definitley agree we should coordinate
on the other thread I also suggested the female symbol with an x

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 18:10

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 17:56

Voting for a party lets them think that you're supporting their entire manifesto. You don't get a half vote to say you don't wholly agree, or a box to say which bits you love and hate. If there are no parties which don't have 'red line' issues in their manifestos, then it's not possible to vote, as you'd be giving a mandate for things you absolutely don't agree with. So no, it's not better to vote for them and then try to change it. The ship has very much sailed then!

Every party has a redline, isn't that a the problem. What are you going to do? Wait four years until the next election? Patting yourself of the back for your spoiled ballot?

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 18:11

That really doesn't even deserve a proper response, to be honest.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 18:12

Twoshoesnewshoes · 29/06/2024 18:09

Are you thinking
respect my sex if you want my x?
definitley agree we should coordinate
on the other thread I also suggested the female symbol with an x

I put this on mine. With stickers (I ❤️ JKR and the 'dog' one from LWS).

InvisibleBuffy · 29/06/2024 18:15

Quite. The last thing I want to do is hold my nose and vote Labour and then that vote is seen as giving a mandate towards effective self-id.
Starmer could have had the balls to support women properly. He hasn't. If he hasn't persuaded us to vote for him, that's his fault for being a coward, not ours for not wanting self-id

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/06/2024 18:16

Redshoeblueshoe · 29/06/2024 14:26

Totally disagree Corinthiana. I've said this on a different thread, but In Manchester when we had the first election for Police Commisioner there were so many spoilt ballot papers it was on the news.
Since then we have never had an elected PC.
If you just stay home it looks like apathy.
If you spoil your ballot paper it shows you think none of the candidates are fit to be your MP. 7 people standing in my area, and none of them deserve my vote

I really want to do this but my damn postal vote has not arrived!

Makegoodchoices · 29/06/2024 18:17

I wrote to my Lib Dem person to register that while my personal politics tally relatively well with overall LD manifesto the need to be able to recognise sex based differences was a hard line for me. I thought they’d hear it more before the election than after. The response made me feel both heard and ignored!

Our area is a two horse race and I’d be concerned about either one. The LD does seem more like they care about humans in general. I’m still not sure what I’ll do and will probably decide on the day.

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