TW with penises can use female toilets - Bridget Phillipson / Labour has lost women’s trust - Wes Streeting

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Ms Phillipson was challenged on Times Radio over her party’s proposals. She was asked: “I am someone who is biologically a male, but I have changed my gender.

“I’ve got a certificate to prove it, and I’m now a trans woman. Where would I go to the toilet? The men’s toilet or the women’s toilets?”

The shadow education secretary replied: “So, you don’t police how people use toilets in that sense.

“But I would expect that if you were someone that had gone through that formal process of recognition you are, to all intents and purposes, for legal purposes, regarded as being in a different gender regardless of the sex into which you were born.”

Pressed again to answer the question, she added: “I would think that in those cases people would be using female toilets.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/25/bridget-phillipson-trans-women-female-toilets-labour-gender/
Also at https://archive.ph/Fk2ff
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Sir Keir Starmer – who had previously criticised a fellow Labour MP for saying only women have a cervix – insisted he was “very proud” of his party’s record on women.

His shadow health secretary now strikes a more conciliatory note, saying Labour is “finally in a good place” when it comes to protecting women and listening to their voices.

“I think it’s taken us a while to navigate what has been a pretty complicated and at times toxic debate. And I think that JK Rowling’s comments over the weekend I think reflect that there’s a lot of work to do to earn to trust on this issue, and that clearly there’s been a lot of hurt,” he said.

“I think we are in a position at this election where we have got I think a very confident position. But where we have to show some humility also, that it’s taken us quite some time to get to what I think is ultimately a good position not just for the Labour Party, but more importantly for the country.

“We’ve been trying to do the right thing on this issue, but sometimes you know, in pursuit of inclusion, you can end up excluding or alienating people.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/25/labour-lost-trust-women-over-trans-issues-streeting/
Also at https://archive.ph/v76IU

Keir’s right, Labour’s record on women speaks for itself – that’s the problem

Had he bothered to listen to the voices of concern emanating from Mumsnet, or condemnedthe groups of masked men who have threatened women’s meetings, I might have more time for his telling us that Labour’s record on women’s rights speaks for itself.

You cannot triangulate biology and no one needed JK Rowling to keep on spelling it out but thank god she has. I expected anyone who cared about children to fully accept the Cass Report, but I was wrong.

There still exist the headbangers who desperately need to hold on to the idea that hormones and the mutilation of teenage bodies is radical.

All this makes me wonder if I will ever be able to trust Starmer or his party on women’s rights.

Well… How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/06/25/sir-keir-labour-womens-rights-general-election-2024/
Also https://archive.ph/GtVlv

Just bumping this, not that there aren't enough threads on how Labour has let women down, but because after I posted the OP I came across the Suzanne Moore article.

Which I think is better - not just because she mentions mumsnet!

All of your archive links are not working for me.

Have to admit I find they dont "click". Have you tried copying link and posting into browser box.

I thought it was just my antiquated computer, but maybe it is a feature of archiving?

Hope this works for you.

Thanks op, my archive links are working - I'm on a laptop, not sure if that makes a difference?

Suzanne Moore's written before about how people who talk about voting on a 'single issue' don't seem to realise that the single issue is trust, and how once that's gone from any relationship, things are pretty much over.

She's totally nailed it as far as Labour and I concerned. The trust and the respect have gone

Weird. Archive links work perfectly fine for me when anyone else posts an archive link, take me straight to what has been archived.

I will try the other option.

How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind

@IwantToRetire 😂😂

All credit to Suzanne Moore

You could see in that interview that Bridget Phillipson felt very uncomfortable and compromised. And for good reason; she was sent out into the firing line with clear instructions, well rehearsed, as to the party line. She tried to avoid saying the inevitable for as long as she possibly could.....and that was that " Yes, men with a GRC would use the women's toilets"

Labour's great gender awakening is all smoke and mirrors.

I thought exactly the same! I started to feel quite sorry for her!

One for The Man in the Next Room.

All this nonsense has proved is that WS is a far better politician than KS and none of them give a fuck about (actual) women.

I'm done, it's just as @Floisme says

She's totally nailed it as far as Labour and I concerned. The trust and the respect have gone

I want to see Bridget Phillipson answer the Staniland Question. That will nail it home.