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Sunday Times again, Mathew Syed

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PollyPeachum · 23/06/2024 09:39

He starts with JKR but goes on to talk more of Labour's reaction to her and her views.
Then he gets serious about how will Labour deal with Activists on other topics, the tyranny of a minority. Given that Starmer has changed his opinion and policy on several issues. Is there a solid core to the future PM's beliefs.

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Busstopliz · 23/06/2024 09:44

I thought it was an excellent piece and really sums up my thinking. Starmer does not have one bit of conviction that recent nonsense over not using private health care for a dying relative, stop saying what you think is the right thing politically ( which seems to be often ill advised) and tell us what you really believe, I have no trust in him at all to do the right thing, he's an absolute coward

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 23/06/2024 13:35

Trustworthiness seems to be in very short supply amongst those who aspire to govern with our consent.

UtopiaPlanitia · 23/06/2024 14:15

Busstopliz · 23/06/2024 09:44

I thought it was an excellent piece and really sums up my thinking. Starmer does not have one bit of conviction that recent nonsense over not using private health care for a dying relative, stop saying what you think is the right thing politically ( which seems to be often ill advised) and tell us what you really believe, I have no trust in him at all to do the right thing, he's an absolute coward

Gareth Roberts wrote an excellent piece on Starmer analysing that very quality in the man:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-boring-truth-about-keir-starmer/

The boring truth about Keir Starmer

‘Working people’ is one of Starmer’s most often repeated phrases – he’s made it his own, usually said in an appropriately reverent way.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-boring-truth-about-keir-starmer/

viques · 23/06/2024 14:26

It is a good article, except that once again it focusses on trans issues and in the same breath quotes Rowling, which obscures the issue that Rowling is pushing, ie that the debate is about Women’s rights.Both our our legal rights, enshrined in law , and the gradual erosion of our moral rights such as the rights to refer to our bodies as we want to, to use the words we want to use to describe ourselves, and to be allowed to speak truthfully without being called TERFs, witches or worse.

IwantToRetire · 23/06/2024 21:35

I thought this was a good article, but very much hanging it on the publicity that JKR's statement has got, but not really about trans, let alone women's rights.

But some of his comments about politicans now just trying appease the loudest voices, even when a small minority, but also (applies as much to the Tories) how lacking in any sort of integrity.

And this is what I believe is at stake in this election. All this twaddle about minor differences in tax policy is neither here nor there; the true test of Starmer is when he faces his first determined bandwagon. If he buckles, as he has so often done in opposition, it will be fatal not just to his administration but to the nation — for it will incite more bandwagons, and more. It is why those who are sympathetic to Labour politics and who despair of the Tories will feel Rowling’s fear. I know I do.

But this is where I also think is the flaw in this article. There is every reason to think minorities who aren't being heard should be listened to, whether about race or disability and others.

The real problem is how easily the politicians just line up with the loudest voices, which often aren't the true voices / representatives of which ever community, which means they dont have to address the actual issue at grass roots, but can just get photo ops.

The whole way the political and media class just accepted that Stonewall was THE voice to represent a whole unrelated coalition of diverse groups, just indicates how lazy politicians, are. They all now just seem to want to grab the headlines.

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