Sorry Police again - poor cow

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Cow rammed by police www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/5097630-cow-rammed-by-police

Do you think this cow could be female given its treatment by Sorry Police?

I think that's a horribly flippant comment to make in the face of disgusting animal cruelty.

It's a disgusting act of violence against an animal. I'm not being flippant. Surrey Police have form for treating women badly and now we have proof that they treat animals badly. There's something very rotten in that police force.

I'm sorry it came across as flippant. There's a reason I posted it in this board.

if what I saw on YouTube is accurate then some P45's should be in the offing. Had the clip been captioned "heartless evil thugs hurt animal" you would not have demurred, but the Babylon? WTF were they thinking?

I'm sorry it came across as flippant. There's a reason I posted it in this board

Yes I understood why you posted it here.

It was horrendous. I don’t understand how anyone could think it was okay. Perhaps, if it was heading up a slipway onto the M25, where it would probably cause a massive pile up, it would be justifiable, but I felt sick watching it.

There would be vets on call and probably willing farmers who would come and help. Unless there was a clear danger to the public, they should have tried to get it somewhere safe until they could get more assistance.

I’ve also heard varying stories of the aftermath, one saying it was just cut and bruised, the other that it was dead. It would be remarkable if it hadn’t got a broken leg or serious internal injuries.

For once I agree with Chris Peckham their should be animal cruelty charges for this

Fury grows at London police who brutally RAMMED calf with squad car https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13533887/James-Cleverly-police-ramming-cow-car.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Absolutely there must be charges laid. There was no acceptable reason for this.

I cannot bear to watch the clip so I absolutely cannot pass judgement in any direction but will just say that a cow got loose from the mart here last year and a man was killed. It was absolutely awful for all involved. So they might have new guidelines? But still, won't watch because I can't see an animal being harmed like that so no judgement either way just thought I would add the information.

Was on the chat board posting about this. You'll no doubt be surprised to hear some defending the polices actions 🙄

Someone named for cat food, perhaps? Are they saying, "we just don't know whether this constituted animal cruelty"?

Perhaps “we just don’t know” if the calf - it was only a baby! - was in fact a criminal mastermind, top of the FBI & Interpol Most Wanted Lists, & armed to the very teeth…

Lot of idiotic comments here, even for MN. A loose cow on public land is presenting a significant danger to anyone nearby and their property. The police presumably had a choice between either shooting the cow dead or subduing it using non-lethal means - which is what they did.

The only person who should be considered for prosecution is the farmer who failed to adequately secure his cattle.

It took them several hours to reach this decision? Really? Why not do the sensible thing of stopping chasing the 10 month old calf so it can calm down, get a bucket of feed and then catch it with a rope?

They made matters worse by the hysteria around it. The poor animal was frightened and confused and away from it's natural habitat. Why did they not call for assistance from someone who would actually know what to do. The calf was no danger to the public, it was running scared and the police officers called to the scene made it worse. Would they have acted the same if it was a loose horse. Animals do sometimes escape their field.

It was not only knocked over at high speed but ran over a second time with the vehicle over it. The hapless cops then just stood looking at it. Personally I am pleased the animal charities have got behind this and that the officer in question has been removed from frontline duties.

Cows get loose all the time. They are rounded up and caught. It's not necessary to ram or injured them. (I've also not watched and won't).

Yes it was disgusting & absolutely should be investigated but that's a hell of a leap to suggest it was about sex/gender.

I live in Surrey and have had various contacts with the police including a very serious incident in which officers put themselves in a risky situation to help me. Without exception the officers & other staff were outstanding at all times & I owe my life to the police.

My victim support worker once commented about the hate of police on social media & said they work so hard to try to get vulnerable people (usually women in DV) to trust them just to have that undone by flippant & unhelpful comments on SM.

The incident with the cow does need investigating but to make the incident about Surrey police V women is just irresponsible.

@Balhammom farmers cannot be prosecuted because of an animal escaping the field. The fence could have been damaged by a member of the public or the animal itself. Farmers do check their fences regularly, no farmer wants any of their livestock running loose.

"It took them several hours to reach this decision? Really? Why not do the sensible thing of stopping chasing the 10 month old calf so it can calm down, get a bucket of feed and then catch it with a rope?"

This. Sadly the majority of people have no experience of animals and even less common sense.

However, I disagree that this had anything to do with misogyny. Just ignorance.

You only have to read a few threads by farmers/livestock owners on here to realise that members of the public are always leaving gates open, either due to stupidity, carelessness or malintent.

@endofthelinefinally Me too, no idea why misogny has been dragged in to it.

I haven't seen the clip but you know police are not trained in animal husbandry

@endofthelinefinally Yet it must be the farmers fault! 🙄. Lost stock is lost money, no farmer wants that.

For goodness sake. It’s a lone calf. I’ve ridden my horse through a herd of cows, they’re docile.

They didn’t subdue it using non lethal means, they ran it over and then tried to run over it’s head. If that’s the kind of logic you’re happy for your police force to have then ok but I’m sure as hell not.

@Balhammom 'shooting it dead' were the armed with firearms cops called then? I must have missed that.

As for a connection with feminism - well, there's space for considering an abusive male dynamic with how livestock is treated. It's not my argument, but it's quite a well established feminist one.

When I've seen cows loose in an urban environment they've been escapees from a slaughterhouse.