Desistance rate amongst 'trans kids' is over 50%

[HelenaTranscart]

Desistance is over 50%
A new German study of trans-identified young people shows that detransition/desistance is not 1% as the LGBTQ+ lobby will have you believe — it’s over 50% (more than 70% in 15-19 year-old females).

This research confirms it’s a social contagion that’s having horrific consequences. This is a dangerous cult so please share.

See here for more information: https://edijester.substack.com/p/urgent-desistance-of-trans-is-not

Apologies if already shared in another thread.

It’s shocking and unsurprising all at once.

This is one of the most damaging lies in my opinion. It makes those who may be thinking about desisting believe they are wrong and they need to keep going with transition.

Also whether it is 1% or 99% there is no basis whatsoever for treating what may be a temporary issue with a solution which is permanent.

Still unbelievable to think that countries world wide are allowing this appalling social and medical experiment on children. Unforgivable.

Is there a link to the actual study? I'm not familiar with the sub stack format and couldn't find one.

To clarify, it does not surprise me at all (sadly) - in fact I'm surprised it's not higher - but I think it's important to approach all research with a bit of healthy skepticism.

I suspect it is higher but the timescales used are not generous enough. Isn't 10 years the limit for most, even the most fervent, before reality starts to fully settle?

Thank you for link.

There is this link below the video.
https://ourduty.group/2024/06/11/german-study-desistance-is-common/?s=09

Yes, thank you for the link. Doesn’t surprise me either. It’s social contagion / a passing fad but unlike a few years of wearing black and being a Goth, being “trans” has potentially devastating consequences for the child.

Does it even account for those that may regret but can't face being cast out from their new tribe/rainbow family etc. Even doubling down through a sunk costs fallacy?

I think about those families who are enthusiastically supporting their confused teens - from a place of love no doubt. But in the process cementing an identity that the kids then can't back away from.

The Cass review found that feelings of gender dysphoria are temporary in the majority of cases. Cass also highlighted that girls who are confused about their gender currently outnumber boys six to one. It's good to see new German research supporting her findings.

Anyone who claims that a trans identity is like being gay is either a raging homophobe or ignorant (or both).

But given the devastating consequences of taking hormones, it's vital that we all speak up and get this information to the people who think it is 'kind' to affirm confused young people.

This is a real issue. My DD feels like she has to prove she really is trans as we have always tried to keep the door open and allow room for things to change.

If (hopefully when) things do change and she realises transitioning will not improve her life in any way she'll have to get over the fact that in her head we were right and she was wrong. That's hard.

In a family celebrating the new identity that must be 100 times harder for the kid because they've got the added burden of letting the parents down somehow.

And that schools and media outlets (especially the BBC) are complicit in recruiting vulnerable children in to it.

Specifically, children who are autistic (and are distressed about their changing bodies) or have experienced trauma related to sexual assault, neglect or bullying.

These are the children who are most likely to want to escape from their own bodies as a means to "fix" their distress. They are being fed dangerous information from places that they should be able to trust, not just from the largely unregulated world of social media.

To borrow an excellent quote from above from @GatherlyGal :
Also whether it is 1% or 99% there is no basis whatsoever for treating what may be a temporary issue with a solution which is permanent.

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In a family celebrating the new identity that must be 100 times harder for the kid because they've got the added burden of letting the parents down somehow.

I hope your daughter is doing OK @GatherlyGal Leaving the door open sounds like a great response in a near impossible situation. The risk of being cut off by a distressed child, declared to be a "bigot" etc, is huge. It's such a fine line to tread.

Exactly @BonfireLady a fine line indeed. She's 20 now and as yet has not actually done anything medical so we dare to hope.

"And that schools and media outlets (especially the BBC) are complicit in recruiting vulnerable children in to it."

Absolutely! The Scottish government has given over a million pounds to LGBTQ Youth Scotland to spread this pernicious ideology in schools, including primary schools.

Unforgivable!

Hang on, are you telling me TRAs are.........are.....fibbing? 😮

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Your daughter, and my own who's 15 and still at risk from all of this, will hopefully be helped by the shift in what's happening in the public discourse. It's still not out in the open enough (maybe it'll take 10 years for the scale of the scandal to be recognised 😢) but awareness is getting there and seems to be growing, despite the most likely next government being largely out of step with the wider topic of gender identity.

The Cass Report opens the door for studies like this from outside the UK to become viable in conversations, because they are in line with the UK understanding/expectations. Until we had that baseline in the NHS, everything else was simply a mish-mash of contested opinion. Much of it clearly suppressed, so that the affirmation narrative was the loudest.

It is important though to be clear about detransition vs desisting. We have always known that the rate for desistance is high (ie no medical treatment). And the last reliable studies I have seen up to about 4 years ago ( and looking at patients up to around 2017) the detransition rate was between 8-9%. That was from before the exponential increase of female adolescents.

The timing of detransition was also looking like 7+ years. So I am looking forward to reading this to see the data they are using.

Especially those parents and other family members who have stuck their neck out and made big public announcements and commitments on account of it ( I'm thinking the children, and friends and associates, of people in the public eye)

"In a family celebrating the new identity that must be 100 times harder for the kid because they've got the added burden of letting the parents down somehow."

This really resonates with me, in that I couldn't tell my family about my marital problems as they were so happy that I'd got married and I felt like I was letting them down with my impending likely divorce.

How much more intense would that feeling be for medical/ surgical transistion (or even social if they were really invested, or even the child perceives the family is really invested).

I agree. All those celebrities with a little boy in a dress or a girl in a suit paraded like an accessory.

I talk to a lot of people about this as often when a friend knows someone whose kid is caught up in this they put us in touch. Most parents I would say are relieved to talk to me and share our general approach. The ones who don't are almost evangelical in their celebration of the trans ID. They tell me I just need to be more open and that I just don't understand enough. They sound so pleased with themselves. I just have to step away.