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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rape Crisis election demands

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ArabellaScott · 08/06/2024 22:00

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-involved/general-election-2024-our-demands/

Funding, therapeutic support, criminal justice, healthcare and education.

There are links to a petition and more detail on demands.

General Election 2024: our demands

Ahead of the general election, we're calling on all political parties to make tackling sexual violence and abuse a priority.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-involved/general-election-2024-our-demands

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Hoardasurass · 08/06/2024 22:23

Sorry but I can't support them whilst they are advocating for jury less rape trials as in the link above. They are unjust and the 1st step in doing away with all justice, freedom and rights for all.

Maddy70 · 08/06/2024 22:24

www.threads.net/@magicmooney/post/C7-C_njN58f/ this is interesting

ResisterRex · 08/06/2024 22:27

Mostly sensible. But I'm not sold on judge-only trials. Much as I understand the idea behind it, I really struggle to agree with taking one crime out for differential treatment. If this is permitted then what other crimes will be without peers? It could open the floodgates and so easily lead to unintended results.

ArabellaScott · 08/06/2024 22:32

Yes, I am uneasy about jury-less trials. The legal opinions I've read sound very concerned about it.

Worth considering all those issues, though, whether or not one agrees with RC's stance, and just raising them with candidates as important issues to consider.

Given that we are repeatedly told that women's rights are just a fringe issue and don't matter ...

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ResisterRex · 10/06/2024 08:10

Interesting story about judges. Of course it's different in that the Post Office was able to bring prosecutions and not always have to consult with the CPS. Although I've seen that they did do with some cases. However, this is sobering in light of the proposal to cut out juries. As above, once it happens for one crime, what is next?

Postmasters ‘were failed by judges’ in Horizon scandal

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/58152a19-a5c5-4d25-a6f7-0eaa6332ca3a?shareToken=80a3775575cc00bde8d1fd5dc9631c95

"More than a dozen judges failed sub-postmasters who were convicted in the UK’s biggest miscarriage of justice scandal, a former director of public prosecutions has said.

Sir David Calvert-Smith, who ­reviewed scores of sub-postmaster ­appeals for the Post Office over the discredited Horizon computer system, has said that in at least 12 of the convictions, judges should have “probed” the prosecution case “more deeply”.

... In 2021 the Post Office instructed Calvert-Smith and Brian Altman KC to review the cases of 42 convicted sub-postmasters before they went to the Court of Appeal. Ultimately, the appeal judge quashed 39 of the convictions. ­Speaking at a Bar Council conference in London at the weekend, Calvert-Smith addressed the question of whether some crown court judges who heard the private prosecutions brought by the Post Office had let sub-postmasters down.

“That is certainly true in as many as a dozen of the cases I read when I went through them,” said Calvert-Smith, before adding that “maybe more” fell into that category.

The 79-year-old retired judge said: “I thought surely a judge would have probed a bit more deeply rather than thinking ‘I’ve got a full list and I want to get on with my next case’.”"

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2024 08:20

Interesting proposition, if scant on detail, which makes me wonder if its just come out of nowhere in the run up to the election. Halving violence is interesting. Why not eliminating it altogether?

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ArabellaScott · 10/06/2024 08:35

ResisterRex · 10/06/2024 08:10

Interesting story about judges. Of course it's different in that the Post Office was able to bring prosecutions and not always have to consult with the CPS. Although I've seen that they did do with some cases. However, this is sobering in light of the proposal to cut out juries. As above, once it happens for one crime, what is next?

Postmasters ‘were failed by judges’ in Horizon scandal

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/58152a19-a5c5-4d25-a6f7-0eaa6332ca3a?shareToken=80a3775575cc00bde8d1fd5dc9631c95

"More than a dozen judges failed sub-postmasters who were convicted in the UK’s biggest miscarriage of justice scandal, a former director of public prosecutions has said.

Sir David Calvert-Smith, who ­reviewed scores of sub-postmaster ­appeals for the Post Office over the discredited Horizon computer system, has said that in at least 12 of the convictions, judges should have “probed” the prosecution case “more deeply”.

... In 2021 the Post Office instructed Calvert-Smith and Brian Altman KC to review the cases of 42 convicted sub-postmasters before they went to the Court of Appeal. Ultimately, the appeal judge quashed 39 of the convictions. ­Speaking at a Bar Council conference in London at the weekend, Calvert-Smith addressed the question of whether some crown court judges who heard the private prosecutions brought by the Post Office had let sub-postmasters down.

“That is certainly true in as many as a dozen of the cases I read when I went through them,” said Calvert-Smith, before adding that “maybe more” fell into that category.

The 79-year-old retired judge said: “I thought surely a judge would have probed a bit more deeply rather than thinking ‘I’ve got a full list and I want to get on with my next case’.”"

In common with the PO, 'emergency measures' look too close to waving.aside proper process. Which is bad all round, I'd say.

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newtlover · 10/06/2024 14:38

I think the problem is that jurors are as susceptible to rape myths as the rest of the public. I think there have been moves to educate them prior to trial, but maybe the thinking is that its easier to educate 1 judge, once, than educate 12 people before each trial
however I think getting rid of juries is a bad idea

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2024 14:44

Well, sure, juries make me think of the quote about it taking a village to raise a child, and the response being 'I've seen the village, and I don't want it anywhere near raising my child'.

The trouble is that judges are just as susceptible, and I'm not convinced that it's all that easy to 'educate' anyone. I don't know the solution, tbh. Perhaps specialist courts could have a purpose in that they may be highly qualified and expert judges?

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newtlover · 12/06/2024 11:45

yes, you would hope so, and also used to critically analysing material

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