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duc748 · 07/06/2024 22:31

Don't worry, I'm sure the BBC won't stand for any of that nonsense! 😝

Kucinghitam · 08/06/2024 05:53

I'm already weary, thinking of yet another of the inevitable TRSOH clown dances to come, as always happens whenever something batshit like this is unearthed.

This isn't happening, you're paranoid...
It's only being reported in Bad Media so probably not happening...
OK fine, it is happening but only a few cases so why does it matter...
Well OK it's affecting a large group but they're not important and they don't mind anyway...
Oh they do mind? They're bigots and should BeKind...
This is happening and it's great that it is happening! Look, a squirrel!

NotBadConsidering · 08/06/2024 06:05

The other concern is why does the IOC feel the need to emphasise this? To me it signifies there will be at least one athlete that will be reported on…

Sunnyjac · 08/06/2024 07:36

IOC = thought police. Madness

NitroNine · 10/06/2024 05:56

Good article in The Times on Saturday, placing current shenanigans in context of doping of female athletes behind the Iron Curtain.

(Pole vault over the paywall here…)

SaltPorridge · 10/06/2024 07:25

The image illustrating that Times article is odd.
The name on the number Kratochvilova is wearing is not her name. Strange, because it is a picture of her (I think).

ChateauMargaux · 10/06/2024 08:13

I posted on this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5087040-will-there-be-any-males-in-womens-teams-at-the-olympics?page=5&reply=135903999. but I will repeat it here..

In April 2019, the Court of Arbitration of Sport declared that: 'discrimination (based on sex) is a necessary, reasonable and proportionate means of achieving the legitimate objective of ensuring fair competition and protecting the “protected class” of female athletes in those events.'

It also said: "Male puberty confers performance advantages which prevent fair competition between the sex categories.'...

The World Anti Doping Association code refers to : 'Athletes’ fundamental right to participate in doping-free sport and thus promoting fairness and equality for Athletes worldwide.

Does the 'fundamental right to participate in a fair competition not extend to women?

Athletics, Cycling, Swimming, Rowing and Rugby have all stated that participation in the Female category is limited to people who have not gone through male puberty...

so what does that leave? Football, Weightlifting, Boxing - as far as I can see, these still permit trans women to compete in the category of their choice if their testosterone levels are below with 2.5 / 5 mol/l. (I haven't retained all of the details as they do permit males who have gone through male puberty so men...)

Another one is Sailing - new rules from 1.1.2025 - so they do permit men in the female category for this year's Olympics.

There are 42 disciplines in all - maybe I need to go through them all to see where else the men in women's clothing might be hiding!!

Page 5 | Will there be any males in women's teams at the Olympics? | Mumsnet

Discussing men in women's sports with my husband, who believes it will never happen (despite me telling him it already is). He asked if this will...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5087040-will-there-be-any-males-in-womens-teams-at-the-olympics?page=5&reply=135903999

NitroNine · 10/06/2024 10:20

@SaltPorridge I noticed that too - as you said, it does seem to be a photo of her, so why she’s “Bruce Jenner” under her number is anybody’s guess 😵‍💫

Signalbox · 10/06/2024 12:30

Here's a list of the Olympic sporting categories for the Paris Olympics.

Archery
Artistic Gymnastics
Artistic Swimming
Athletics
Badminton
Basketball
Basketball 3x3
Beach Volleyball
Boxing
Breaking
Canoe Slalom
Canoe Sprint
Cycling BMX Freestyle
Cycling BMX Racing
Cycling Mountain Bike
Cycling Road
Cycling Track
Diving
Equestrian
Fencing
Football
Golf
Handball
Hockey
Judo
Marathon Swimming
Modern Pentathlon
Rhythmic Gymnastics
Rowing
Rugby Sevens
Sailing
Shooting
Skateboarding
Sport Climbing
Surfing
Swimming
Table Tennis
Taekwondo
Tennis
Trampoline
Triathlon
Volleyball
Water Polo
Weightlifting
Wrestling

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ChateauMargaux · 10/06/2024 12:40

Well I have covered 16 - anyone else want to take a few to check?

Redshoeblueshoe · 10/06/2024 12:53

I mentioned Seb Coe because he should have spoken out, and he chose not to. Sharron Davies lost out on a gold medal as her opponent was taking testosterone, 44 years later we still have cheats in swimming and other sports.

OldCrone · 10/06/2024 14:17

SaltPorridge · 10/06/2024 07:25

The image illustrating that Times article is odd.
The name on the number Kratochvilova is wearing is not her name. Strange, because it is a picture of her (I think).

I wondered that. I eventually found the original picture with a caption which explains the name:
Jarmila Kratochvilova #3 of the Czech Republic runs the women's 800 meter event of the Bruce Jenner track meet held on May 25, 1985 at San Jose City College in San Jose, California.
https://www.davidmadison.com/image/I0000_vrm3iy2h9g

Bruce Jenner Track Meet | DAVID MADISON : sports photographer

https://www.davidmadison.com/image/I0000_vrm3iy2h9g

SammyScrounge · 11/06/2024 12:11

The Olympics are now officially a farce. This should be the end of the Games for good as the committee has abandoned all pretence of fairness and honesty. They are actually
delighting in male athletes who cheat.

Treaclewell · 11/06/2024 12:48

Has anyone noticed how Aldi has made fun of any male who enters rhythmic gymnastics in their ad with a typical middle aged endomorph doing that twirly thing with a ribbon in the car park with his very long receipt? More laughter is needed.

BezMills · 11/06/2024 13:46

Competitive sport without fairness is a bad joke played on the athletes who are not cheating. Shame on the IOC here, to make a mockery of female sport.

Rings Shame Bell

CLANG SHAME CLANG

DuesToTheDirt · 11/06/2024 13:58

It's despicable of them to allow males in women's categories, and despicable of them to force journalists to lie about it.

Forester1 · 11/06/2024 14:32

I found this document really depressing. I think it comes from a good place in acknowledging and trying to address the disadvantages that women face. But by prioritising gender over sex I believe that it not only loses a lot of value but in some respects (particularly theAnnex) harms women. 🙁

duc748 · 11/06/2024 14:55

I don't think it 'comes from a good place' at all. It is full of literal lies, for a start. I thought we'd seen the back of this 'assigned at birth' bollix. Sadly, it seems not.

ChateauMargaux · 11/06/2024 15:09

Treaclewell · 11/06/2024 12:48

Has anyone noticed how Aldi has made fun of any male who enters rhythmic gymnastics in their ad with a typical middle aged endomorph doing that twirly thing with a ribbon in the car park with his very long receipt? More laughter is needed.

If men were free from ridicule when they dressed how they wish, engaged in any activities they wished (within in the law and without harm to others) without pretending that it made them a woman, the world would be a much better place. Activities or clothes do not define our sex, our chromosomes do.

(Though where the line would be regarding AGP - I don't know.)

ChateauMargaux · 11/06/2024 15:16

duc748 · 11/06/2024 14:55

I don't think it 'comes from a good place' at all. It is full of literal lies, for a start. I thought we'd seen the back of this 'assigned at birth' bollix. Sadly, it seems not.

I agree - they have had decades to celebrate women, address the disadvantages we face.. but instead - in the words of https://x.com/cathydevine56/status/1798968026814947459. - The document uses the work done to ensure equal recognition representation & inclusion of female & male athletes at the pinnacle of elite sport to undermine all this important work & coerce female athletes to include male athletes in female sport.

x.com

https://x.com/cathydevine56/status/1798968026814947459

Signalbox · 11/06/2024 17:59

duc748 · 07/06/2024 22:31

Don't worry, I'm sure the BBC won't stand for any of that nonsense! 😝

Apparently the BBC's new Director of Sport knows who is a woman when he wants to buy a baby but is a bit uncertain when it comes to fairness and safety for women in sports. Also he's blocked the likes of Martina Navratilova and Sharron Davies and has now locked his account.

"[Sharron Davies] and Martina Navratilova are important, influential voices who speak for many women on this topic. They, like most of us, are not experts though. And while it’s important to hear and respect people’s views, I disagree and worry a circus is being created out of something that a) is not a huge problem in sport and b) further marginalises totally unthreatening people and creates a narrative of fear around them."
https://archive.ph/iibRt#selection-2691.0-2695.387

Surrogacy
https://archive.ph/LfIdu

Daily Mail article
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13517295/jk-rowling-bbc-row-alex-kay-jelski-trans-athletes-experts.html

JK Rowling slams BBC's new director of sport Alex Kay-Jelski

JK Rowling publicly supported the tennis legend who branded the conduct of Alex Kay-Jelski as 'pathetic' after he allegedly blocked her on social media

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13517295/jk-rowling-bbc-row-alex-kay-jelski-trans-athletes-experts.html

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duc748 · 11/06/2024 18:28

Well that Times article sure is a load of bollocks, @Signalbox ! The full gamut of 'it hardly ever happens' and 'nothing to see here'.

Runor · 11/06/2024 20:38

As the BBC’s director of sport, you’d assume it’s his actual job to know what’s been going on in sport, wouldn’t you?!

Edited to add; I wonder how the female footballer with the broken leg feels about ‘totally unthreatening people’ or the female cyclist who has retired because she got fed up with being beaten by men in the women’s category.

Maybe someone should send him a file of all the problems which ‘don’t happen’

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