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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone else got canvassed yet?

45 replies

thirdfiddle · 06/06/2024 21:40

Just explained to a nice lib dem woman why I wouldn't be voting for them, and that I used to vote for them before they said they didn't want GC votes. She looked glum, wouldn't discuss the issue and just wanted to tell me it was them or the tories in our constituency.
Anyway, chalk one up for if they say it's not getting raised on the doorsteps they're lying.
Anyone else had any visiting politicians yet?

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WildGeece · 07/06/2024 13:14

Just had the Scottish Labour candidate at the door (woman, 50-ish). I asked her what her definition of a woman is. Answer: "I know what an adult human female is".

She's very likely to be elected, beating current encumbent SNP candidate.

I feel a teeny bit hopeful...

Karatema · 07/06/2024 13:26

Yes, a few weeks before the election was called! The Labour volunteer, eventually, asked to leave after I had bent her ear on sex based rights for 10 minutes 😂 But, since the election was called, I've received at least 6 letters entreating me to vote Labour; I'm in a "swing" constituency.

UtterlyOtterly · 07/06/2024 14:10

Nobody yet so far, but I am ready for them, and have primed DH who is even more GC than me.

Last time I invited the Labour guy to define a woman while I recorded it on my phone. He scuttled off very fast, it was actually comical.

Ramblingnamechanger · 07/06/2024 14:38

I’ve had a hundred e mails from Labour begging for money and support. I reply with a few choice comments every time. No idea if anyone actually sees them. Anybody here know?

duc748 · 07/06/2024 17:56

Ramblingnamechanger · 07/06/2024 14:38

I’ve had a hundred e mails from Labour begging for money and support. I reply with a few choice comments every time. No idea if anyone actually sees them. Anybody here know?

I'm just the same. I assume replying to them is pointless. I'm on the data base, and that's it. Annoyingly, many of them are from the same women (local councillor) who invited me to re-frame my prejudice last year when I asked for her views on Rosie Duffield. Maybe I should give it a go!

shellyleppard · 07/06/2024 17:58

Only the local labour candidates so far. Had an interesting chat with them both. My son (first time voter) has also had a letter from labour. Had a leaflet from the cons today. Tried emailing them as had a couple of queries.....it didn't recognise the address 🙄🙄

Talkinpeace · 07/06/2024 18:58

I am blacklisted by all of the parties.
None of them have knocked on my door for years.
I ask awkward questions.

lonelywater · 07/06/2024 21:50

nope, nor expecting any. They weigh the tory vote round here.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 08/06/2024 10:09

They never come here. I don’t even get Jehovah’s at the door.

I have to get my fun when the politicians pitch up outside our local Waitrose.

But then there’s a bigger audience for when I ask them those questions that never come up. Always have passers by join in with ‘what the hell?’.

SinnerBoy · 08/06/2024 10:18

*SirChenjins" · Yesterday 12:57

That's the last time I'm leaving DH alone in the house ever, he obviously can't be trusted.

Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! Does he remain unslapped?

Redshoeblueshoe · 08/06/2024 10:46

I'm in one of the safest Labour seats in the country, so my MP is far too busy to bother with us, he is very busy in Graham Brady's seat, Brady is standing down so I think they can persuade them to vote Labour. I think if it changes it will go Liberal or Green. No posters round there either

SirChenjins · 08/06/2024 11:42

SinnerBoy · 08/06/2024 10:18

*SirChenjins" · Yesterday 12:57

That's the last time I'm leaving DH alone in the house ever, he obviously can't be trusted.

Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! Does he remain unslapped?

For now. I told him I wasn’t angry, just disappointed - and he remains on a warning.

mrshoho · 08/06/2024 17:32

Had our Conservative elected MP call today. He's been our MP since 2010 and tbf he is a familiar face that gets involved in local issues and is approachable. He nodded in all the right places lol. Ready and waiting for Labour if they call.

AlexandraLeaving · 09/06/2024 08:03

I had a canvasser from Labour round the other day. It was probably the longest 15 mins of his day, but he listened patiently and respectfully and we had a really good conversation. We’re a key marginal (Lab/Con) and the sitting (Lab) MP is very good on mostly everything and personally very likeable but is a bit TWAW, which worries me.

i started by saying I was concerned about the erosion of women’s rights. He asked what I meant by them and I said the changing of the meaning of language and the refusal to have a sensible debate about where sex based protections matter, with women’s [the old fashioned meaning of that word] voices being shut down. He said he thought people were scared of entering a toxic debate so I asked who was making it toxic and did that tell him anything. He acknowledged the point. I said I wanted to see the parties creating a space where the discussion of the issues could happen in a calm, balanced way and in a way that accepted that most people on the so-called “gender critical” side supported trans rights and wanted trans identified people to feel safe and able to live their lives peacefully but not at the expense of eroding women’s rights to do so too.

I said the problems went back to the passing of the GRA, when society understood the “problem” to be “solved” by that legislation was to enable a small number of gender dysphoric transsexuals [when such a word was acceptable] to marry and what was really needed was equal marriage legislation but the then Labour government were too scared of that (and did he feel ashamed that it was the Conservatives rather than Labour who had eventually legalised same sex marriage?) so the GRA was a compromise to create a legal fiction instead of actually solving the actual problem. Now, the GRA wasn’t just used by a small number of transsexuals with gender dysphoria, but a much wide range of people, some of whom were using it to get their sexual kicks, and part of that involved dominating and invading same sex spaces for women just to show they could. Self ID would make this worse.

We then moved on to gender stereotypes and how oppressive these were - for everyone, but especially historically women. I don’t expect, when he set out that morning, he had anticipated a debate on pink fluffy ladybrain and how offensive it was, to those of us who had been fighting stereotypes all our lives and who are definitely not feminine, to have people think if we have boobs we must also have ladybrain. I told him that I didn’t “identify” as feminine or any of the stereotypes associated with femininity, but my biology meant that I WAS female, and that (& my age) were the basis on which people judged me and discriminated against me. We touched briefly on the lack of research of (eg) medical drugs on female bodies and how that affected women’s health - we were just seen as small men rather than different type of human, equal in worth but physically different.

i said I was disgusted at the way Rosie Duffield had been treated (he agreed). I said I included the Labour leadership in that. He said he thought it was fear of entering that debate. I said they should be brave and do it.

At this point, he realised his colleagues had entirely finished in our (quite long) street and he would be in trouble if he didn’t catch up with them before they started the next street. He said (convincingly) that he would relay all of this to the candidate and completely understood I was not coming at this from a transphobic position, but wanting to have an open debate about how everyone’s rights could be respected.

there is a lot more I wanted to say, but it was quite therapeutic to say that much out loud. I felt a glimmer of hope, albeit the National picture has not really helped sustain that. I may follow up with writing to the candidate - and indeed the other candidates - on this and my other election priorities.

it’s the first time we’ve had Labour round ours in the 20 years we have been here. Conservatives have been a couple of times in the past but not yet this year. It tends to be a (very close run) two horse race here so the others have not bothered much.

sorry that was a bit of an essay - you may be wanting to run up the road to join your colleagues too if you have read through all of that!

TheBloatedMiddle · 09/06/2024 09:00

I appreciated that post alot @AlexandraLeaving . If I ever get a Labour canvasser I will keep it very much in mind as I would want to make all those points.

SolitaryBee · 09/06/2024 09:29

Thanks @AlexandraLeaving. I’ve been struggling to summarise my thoughts in a coherent, calm manner. Your post helps a lot. When I try to formulate an email to candidates, I end up shouting at the computer and spiralling into a, “what’s the point, nobody gives a flea’s fart about women (the original XX blend) depression. I will try again using your excellent, measured approach as a model.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 09/06/2024 10:19

We did see a gaggle of Labourites in the street (they had red rosettes on but seemed to be deciding where to go for lunch).

I can’t remember her name but I did recognise one of them - middle aged woman, short and slightly stocky, cropped dyed blonde hair and I seem to remember had married into a title (which to tories would refer to when winding her up).

The word I thought of when I saw her was ‘nippy’ but I just couldn’t quite place her.

I was rushing to get to an appointment so didn’t have time to play…

FrothyCothy · 09/06/2024 11:02

Labour canvasser. Told them my concerns included protecting single sex spaces for women. Responded by telling me there’ll be something in the manifesto about violence against women and girls. Not sure she got it but she did at least offer for the candidate to call me and discuss further if I wanted so wasn’t shying away.

Justnot · 09/06/2024 12:51

Just had a labour canvasser, nice older guy, I went into a bit of a rant (in my nightie, thought it was gonna be an Amazon delivery) single sex spaces, safeguarding, misogyny, Corbyn, but didn’t really let him respond as was a bit nervous - he didn’t disagree and said he would pass on my concerns and I would maybe get a phone call

was rather ruined by 16 year old daughter heckling in the background, that she was going to make me vote labour anyway……..tbf we’ve got a really shit Tory MP and there was a 100 votes in it last time so I can see why my daughter wants me to vote Labour

wish I could have channelled Alexandraleaving

PotatoFarls · 09/06/2024 15:27

Labour canvasser, older bloke. Went a bit wrong due to me having ASD so I wasn't as eloquent as I see other people reporting on here. Mentioned prisons, hospital wards. Said we were both (DH chimed in to agree) v disappointed with Labour on this issue and it was stopping me being a 100% Labour supporter this time and I'm still undecided. He wrote it down and said he'd feed it back, which was better than I was expecting.

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