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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I won’t vote Tory, but there’s a good reason Labour haven’t won me over yet - Suzanne Moore

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IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 01:02

If Keir Starmer wants my support, I must be able to trust the party to protect the rights of women and children

But is Labour really going to win my vote? How can I have faith that it will maintain sex-based rights, something I care passionately about? The party has been all over the shop and despite mea culpas from <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tjDta/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wes Streeting, this is still the party where women can have penises and it says that it wants to make it easier to change gender. Its activists are fully in thrall to the Stonewall agenda even <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tjDta/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/10/under-25s-trans-care-must-be-slower-says-cass-report/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">post-Cass. Anneliese Dodds always seems like the supply teacher you get stuck with at parents’ evening, who makes it up as they go along. Labour may have got rid of the red-faced ideologue <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tjDta/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/29/left-wing-labour-mp-suspended-will-not-stand-at-election/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lloyd Russell-Moyle but they show no sign ever of embracing <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tjDta/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/30/rosie-duffield-right-women-cervix-keir-starmer-trans-stance/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rosie Duffield, their only Kent MP who has turned out to be… er, right on the issues she has been ostracised for.

I know many lifelong Labour voters who are wavering now because they don’t feel the party can be trusted with women’s rights. Others are wavering because of Gaza. Some are disgusted at the treatment of women of colour in the party (Diane Abbott and the axed Left-winger <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tjDta/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/04/axed-candidate-faiza-shaheen-quits-labour/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Faiza Shaheen). Some are seduced by the past-the-sell-by-date narcissism of Corbyn.

To vote for Labour, though, I would have to be able to trust the party to protect the rights of women and children and I don’t yet. You may think that is a single issue but trust is never a single issue. When it comes to voting, it’s the one that matters.

NB - this is just some extracts it is a much longer article looking at other Labour policies - if you are interested!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/06/05/not-vote-tory-labour-protect-womens-rights/

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/tjDta

I won’t vote Tory, but there’s a good reason Labour haven’t won me over yet

If Keir Starmer wants my support, I must be able to trust the party to protect the rights of women and children

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/06/05/not-vote-tory-labour-protect-womens-rights

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Floisme · 06/06/2024 09:52

Thanks for the link, that made me smile even though it's not funny.

The ending really resonated with me:

'You may think that is a single issue but trust is never a single issue. When it comes to voting, it’s the one that matters.'

I've written to my Labour candidate and I still plan to see what the manifesto says, but really I know the trust has gone.

I think the belittling response from Labour, and also from some of their supporters, to Sunak's proposal to amend the Equality Act has been the final straw. I don't think I have the words to express my contempt for people who think it's more important to stick one to the Tories than listen to women and their concerns. Well actually I do have the words but I've no intention of getting myself deleted.

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 17:35

Just heard that Owen Jones is now saying that as Labour is obviously going to get such a huge percentage of votes, it is okay to vote with your conscience.

He will be voting Green!

I wonder if all those posters (well I think its only 2) who constantly tell us we are morally obliged to vote Labour, will now shift the considerable amount of time they seem to have on their hands, to give us a break, and go and lecture little OJ? Confused

Or is it okay for men to have principles but women should not consider themselves worthy of this, and should just do what they are told to do.

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GoogleWhacking · 06/06/2024 17:39

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 17:35

Just heard that Owen Jones is now saying that as Labour is obviously going to get such a huge percentage of votes, it is okay to vote with your conscience.

He will be voting Green!

I wonder if all those posters (well I think its only 2) who constantly tell us we are morally obliged to vote Labour, will now shift the considerable amount of time they seem to have on their hands, to give us a break, and go and lecture little OJ? Confused

Or is it okay for men to have principles but women should not consider themselves worthy of this, and should just do what they are told to do.

Thank goodness OJ has told me how I can vote!! 🤣

I agree with Suzanne. I don't trust them on this. My Labour candidate hasn't responded to my emails on this matter. Think I might spoil my vote

BackToLurk · 06/06/2024 17:40

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 17:35

Just heard that Owen Jones is now saying that as Labour is obviously going to get such a huge percentage of votes, it is okay to vote with your conscience.

He will be voting Green!

I wonder if all those posters (well I think its only 2) who constantly tell us we are morally obliged to vote Labour, will now shift the considerable amount of time they seem to have on their hands, to give us a break, and go and lecture little OJ? Confused

Or is it okay for men to have principles but women should not consider themselves worthy of this, and should just do what they are told to do.

What principles do you imagine OJ has?

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 17:59

What principles do you imagine OJ has?

Principles as defined by male privilege

(I do hope you didn't think for one moment that I have any intention of taking OJ seriously. The point of the comment is to show - yet again - what a delusionally self important prick he is.)

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ResisterRex · 06/06/2024 18:02

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 17:35

Just heard that Owen Jones is now saying that as Labour is obviously going to get such a huge percentage of votes, it is okay to vote with your conscience.

He will be voting Green!

I wonder if all those posters (well I think its only 2) who constantly tell us we are morally obliged to vote Labour, will now shift the considerable amount of time they seem to have on their hands, to give us a break, and go and lecture little OJ? Confused

Or is it okay for men to have principles but women should not consider themselves worthy of this, and should just do what they are told to do.

Someone should reassure him all his concerns will be addressed after the revolution, love in due course

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2024 18:12

it is okay to vote with your conscience

Assuming this is what he said, implying it wasn't his conscience that made he vote Labour in the past, why did he?

I suspect as with a lot of votes for Labour, it is more about being able to smugly say I voted against the Tories.

So much of our elections are decided on negative reasons, rather than genuine support.

PS sorry to have derailed my own thread Blush

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