Kemi Badenoch praises Roz Adams

[IwantToRetire]

Mrs Badenoch praised <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/NoD7m/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/03/transgender-boss-rape-charity-accused-of-heresy-hunt/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Roz Adams, who last week won a tribunal case against her dismissal from a Scottish rape charity because she believed rape victims should be able to seek refuge in a same-sex environment.

“The Roz Adams case shows that there are so many brave women all over the world who are dealing with this intense opposition in their jobs and lives,” she wrote. “They are the true inspiration and I will never stop defending their rights.

“Those of us who have a voice and have power on this issue, must use it to help those women, who do not. They notice and they appreciate it.”

Gender politics is one of the key dividing lines between the Conservatives and Labour, with the Tories opposing self-ID for trans people and Labour pledging to make it easier.

She added: “As Ms Adams found, there are many tactics used to silence those who point out that something is going wrong including:

“1) Ad hominem smears attacking the whistleblower as eg ‘transphobic’ or ‘far-Right’.
“2) Use of probability fallacies ‘I’ve never experienced this so it can’t be true’ or ‘This is unlikely to happen, so why worry about it?’
“3) Attempting to demean those in authority who have concerns as ‘culture warriors’. Or claiming politicians should stick to talking about the economy and the NHS.
“4) Redefining the issue to cause confusion. Eg pretending the Government is banning unisex and disabled toilets rather than ‘gender-neutral’ mixed-sex bathrooms.”

Lots more in the article about GE and KB highlighting "a woman who was raped in a women's toilet by a man who gained acess because wearing make up". The woman said:

" ... “The Conservative Party can do whatever it likes. As long as it stands up for women, my vote is assured.
“Thank you. I have experienced a lifetime of male violence. Thank you for making women safer.”

Article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/22/kemi-badenoch-vows-to-always-defend-single-sex-spaces/

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/NoD7m

(Have no idea whether Roz Adams has heard this, or would care!)

Excellent. Come on Labour front bench, let's see some of you stand up for the rights of rape victims not to be used as validation tools by TW.

It's a shame she will no longer be in government.

She’ll be back, I think. Ambitious, smart and ruthless. Remind you of anyone?

Tony Blair?

🙂

Oh to be young

It's a shame she ran out of time before finishing her mulling. Maybe the outcome will be in the manifesto?

I hope she gets the Tory leadership next time.

To Kemi or anyone who knows her - please read this:

Please guarantee all single sex toilets (in schools, offices and other public spaces) have safety gaps at the bottom of the doors so the occupant will be seen quickly if they collapse and help prevent them from being assaulted inside the cubicle. The gaps enable the toilet floor to be kept clean, maintain adequate ventilation and decrease fire evacuation times.

Think about where you go when you feel ill? This is why there are so many that collapse in a toilet cubicle. People are having heart attacks at a rate of one every 5 minutes in this country. Same with strokes. 1 in 106 has epilepsy - typically 9 children in every secondary school. Frail people fall - yet the ambulant toilet also is fully enclosed. Out of all of your government’s new designs there’s only one that even has the option to have a door gap.

———-

The current toilet legislation coming into force in October will mean there’s the option of every toilet, even single sex ones, being fully enclosed from floor to ceiling. The single sex toilets and ambulant toilets should not have the option of being fully enclosed. There is no ‘safety’ in new enclosed cubicle as they will be able to be taken off the quick-release hinges from the outside (because you can’t get over them anymore). As an occupant, you would not be able to see if anyone was lying in wait.

Your government commissioned report was supposed to be about the requirements of U.K. people who are disabled and have long term health conditions. But instead ‘the evidence’ disclosed in the report for ‘full enclosure’ was from one Minnesota grade school study by a restroom installer and an article by American Gender Studies Professor Susan Stryker and American Joel Sanders from ‘Stalled’. Both of these were the only ones the ‘guidance and literature’ list and were definitely not focused on long term health conditions or disabilities.

So much for disability rights. Or the rights of women and girls who are most likely to be assaulted in enclosed toilets precisely because they are private so the perpetrator has the assurance of no witnesses to raise the alarm.

Without wanting political parties to just parachute in on items in the news, I would have thought this court case would have been one that those in which ever political party would make some statement about.

But I suspect that whilst most of us on FWR are commentating in relation to preserving single sex services, those outside of that understanding, will just see it about management bullying.

I find this incredible sad and frustrating that even now the vast majority of people, whether in politics or not, just do not recognise women's rights issues ie they dont even register the underlying issue. Its just a bad boss scenario.

Kemis ability to do anything about this will be toast in 6 weeks time. Given she's spent the last 15 months doing nothing, I think you've wasted your time typing that out.

It’s all over now. Whitsun recess was due to start anyway. I think they may have two days to mop up a v small number of things then it is all over legislation wise until July 5

Let’s hope she sees it and gives the orders so small tweaks to Document T will ensure part of her toilet legacy is that she helped save the lives of people who collapse and help prevent assaults and other criminal activity (as well as cleaner and healthier cubicles for everyone).

Kemis ability to do anything about this will be toast in 6 weeks time. Given she's spent the last 15 months doing nothing, I think you've wasted your time typing that out.

Well done for fulfilling the persona your posts have created for you with this phony "rebut".

Such a pathetic untruth.

Even a quick search of mumsnet will show she / the government have been going through the boring process of consultation, follow up etc., even down to opening up design of toilets for comment.

In addition to going to Israel to seal an arms deal and other sales promotion in relation to her role as Business Secretary, which has her jetting round the world.

Apart from what I hear will be an emergency vote to give a pardon to all Post Office staff convicted on the basis of Horizon malfunctions, no legislation just happens on the say so of a single politician.

OK. Well let's see.
She's not done a great job on trade deals either has she. She mostly just seems to write articles that look popular, rather than doing much.

Also, I think Israeli arms deals are not something to be celebrated in the current climate. Because 1) the Israelis are desperate, especially if the US cuts supply and 2) most of the UK population don't like the thought of UK weapons being used to kill Palestinians at the moment.

But well done Kemi. I guess.

If you take on a Cabinet post (and as we know Women's Minister is always just an add on the a "proper" ministeral job) you follow the Government line.

And as in relation to Israel the UK is a US lap dog, KB has to facilitate arms deals with Israel and no doubt many other countries.

The point is, if you want to comment about politics, at least try and get a basic understanding of what being in Government means.

I very much doubt that throughout the country as a whole or the Tory parte that many people are that bothered about toilets.

The fact that KB has been facilitating all these mainstream Tory policies, but in addition pushing for what some seem as a side issue, is no mean feat.

@IwantToRetire :‘I very much doubt that throughout the country as a whole or the Tory parte that many people are that bothered about toilets.’

Public toilet door gaps. It’s a bit like seatbelts. I have never needed a seatbelt but I also put one on as it’s there, it’s in regulations and they save lives. In reality I am not bothered about seatbelts. I don’t think about seatbelts at all. But I recognise that they are essential in design.

Imagine if the government said we are regulating the design for all new cars from October 2024. The car manufacturers have to follow these designs and only one has the option of a seatbelt. But the customer can’t even choose that option - so it’s luck if they are wearing one if they crash.

And then Kemi Badenoch, by a simple tweak to the wording, made sure the car design her department has spent ages on, had no option but to have a seat belt. And the car for frail people had a seatbelt too.

In her tweets and articles, she is obviously thinking about her legacy. But the designs she could be proud of have a huge flaw.

She seems to have done a good job with the appointment of EHRC commissioners. Rescuing that particular quango from genderist capture will I think prove to be an important contribution. It will be hard for the appalling Starmer to get rid of these appointees, although I’m sure he’s itching too, dreadful little man that he is.

😂
I very much doubt that throughout the country as a whole or the Tory parte that many people are that bothered about toilets.
Wholeheartedly agree. Well let's see if she survives the election.

Yes I agree too. I never used to either.

This is great, and I am impressed by KB's grasp of the silencing and bullying tactics, but I so wish this was happening six months ago!

Keeptoiletssafe
Apologies if this is obvious stuff which you have thought of already, but have you considered starting a petition?

@Snowypeaks I filled in the consultation with lots of facts and evidence. As soon as the documents and announcement were made, I read them and none of my points were shown in the consultation analysis nor anyone else that expressed concern.

No one from this Government has responded to my emails and are unlikely to now.

I want to absolutely be sure of my facts before I start a petition because there may be other documents they have not released. I am having to go off what they have released. And the designs off Document T. Which is full height doors pictured for 3 of the designs. And the single sex (non ambulant) cubicle that can be a ‘universal’ fully enclosed layout instead AND there is no picture or specification for door heights/gaps.

Why should any of the single sex toilets be fully enclosed? Yes they all have a quick release mechanism to get in but a collapsed person often makes little sound so how’s anyone supposed to know? These designs have not been thought through in terms of safety of occupants (illness and attacks). Indeed the only reason for ‘full enclosure’ in the documents published is for them to be ‘inclusive’ and then relating that to privacy.

So the poor lady who Kemi Badenoch quoted, will not be advantaged by these new designs. More ‘private’ spaces will make the situation worse.