Jigsaw PSHE?

[FondOfOwls]

Is anyone familiar with Jigsaw PSHE? I received an e-mail from DD's school, where it outlines 'gender diversity' as part of the lessons for the Autumn term next year. She will be 6 years old.
Should I be concerned? Are the schools already updating their lessons or is it just my wishful thinking? I was under impression that Jigsaw wasn't the worst for it, but maybe I was wrong...

There have been several threads about them, they are pretty bad and I'm surprised any schools are still using them
The Govt is supposed to be introducing new rules so you can at least see the material they intend to show your child; and they should not be teaching gender ideology as if it is factual.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=Jigsaw+PSHE+Mumsnet&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Damn it. I was afraid it might be the case. DD just changed schools as well and we both loved it so much so far. Will I have to talk to the headteacher and end up looking like a bigot?
Is there any chance the changes will be happening soon?? Feel so stressed out about it all :(
I didn't plan to be talking to her about 'non binary' and such for a few years yet,

@FondOfOwls I'm a Y4 teacher and had one of my boys inform me he is non-binary and identifies as a bin.

Haha I love identifying as a bin! If only all kids took this from PSHE.

@FondOfOwls I didn't dare say "You're talking rubbish!" 😄

If it's the Year 2 Jigsaw curriculum, the message of the autumn term lessons is that it is OK for all children to like things that are sometimes stereotypically classed as for one sex or the other. It's about knowing that girls can play football and boys can wear pink - that's about as heavy as it gets.

I'm happy for DD to learn about stereotypes, but it looks rather bad from their outline! Is that something that will very much depend on the teacher who teaches it? When is the government changing it, will it take them months :(

With a General election in 6 weeks time I doubt the current government will even exist to implement their sex education plans.

Safe schools alliance had a bit on jigsaw

My dd school use jigsaw. I'm really unhappy with the resources used. Our school had a table with the books they would be reading and I got and read them all. I'm year two the books were in my opinion not ok. One in particular was called Jillian is a mermaid. A young boy likes to wear dress and jewlery after seeing some people dressed this way on the train- I have no problem with that but then the grandmother in support for Julian's tastes took him to the mermaid parade (looks like pride). And I thought the clothes drawn on the people at the parade was inappropriate. I have so much other stuff going on I couldn't take it up with school but I made a real point to have discussion with my dd so she now understands she needs to respect the beliefs of others but respecting others doesn't mean adopting their beliefs or giving up her rights.

Just checked and they have changed the website. There used to be a section on the team on the jigsaw website- including pictures. The over representation of trans individuals coupled on their staff with the content of their resources made me very uncomfortable

Oh no that is awful :/
I will also have a conversation with my daughter, but when will they stop teaching this crap!!!
I'll talk to her teacher first.

By coincidence I’ve just had this from DS’ school about what is taught at different year groups using the Jigsaw modules. I hope it’s helpful. (Blacked out areas are identifying details of the school).

I think the info above is only the sex education element, not the gender identity part of the jigsaw curriculum.

This is the the jigsaw leaflet about the gender identity teaching part of the curriculum. My child's school sent it to me a month or two ago after I requested it. Hope you can read it as I've had to screenshot the pdf.

The yr2 stuff clearly suggests children can be neither boy nor girl, and that this is a choice. Or that it is possible to be neither boy nor girl. Also that there's such a thing as boys ,& girls toys, reinforced by the pink/blue theming.

I haven't looked into the yr6 stuff yet....

Sorry that's not very readable. Theres a link to the same leaflet on this school website (not my school)
https://www.stpauls.wokingham.sch.uk/web/personal_social_relationships_and_health_education_psrhe/558327

@Changeychangeychange thank you, I found a .pdf of this.
I am so not impressed by them talking about girls' toys and boys' toys, surely that IS reinforcing stereotypes!! https://jigsawpshe.com/hubfs/Bookshelf/protected-characteristics-ofsted-and-jigsaw.pdf

@Faffertea That looks Ok but unfortunately as someone mentioned, this is the sex ed part :(

Sorry I realised after I posted that this was not the thread I commented on yesterday!
So for context…
DS is in year 6, small rural primary school. They started using Jigsaw last year. School has a meeting for parents where they went through the resources. The content is delivered by their class teachers and where questions are asked that are not appropriate for teachers to answer or where it’s content that is covered when they’re older they are directed to speak to their parents and/or told that is covered another time.
Our head did say they had chosen the ‘less graphic’ options because they felt that was more in keeping with the school ethos and children’s experiences (most kids live in small rural villages so not overly street smart). I asked specifically about gender ideology teaching/questions and they said that it is not covered in primary and that their focus is on preparing children (in year 5-6) for what to expect in puberty, that everyone goes through this and it is normal, as are feelings of discomfort with changing bodies. They focus on importance of health (care for yourself like showering, shaving, managing periods) and importance of health relationships and respect.
They are well aware of potential safeguarding issues and do not agree in keeping secrets from parents. They let us know when sessions are taking place so we can prepare for questions.

FWIW DS is autistic. We have always talked about gender stereotypes and that humans are the same as other mammals I.e male/female and this defined by our reproductive capacity (but not choices) and we can’t change our sex. Everything else in terms of what you like, how you dress, who you have relationships with is personal preference and means nothing about male/female. He hasn’t told me they have discussed it which he would have done (being autistic he tends to need to tell me when he’s been told about or heard something different to our previous conversations).

I think we’ve been really lucky with sensible school and headteacher.

Does it seem weird to anyone else to have sex Ed resources that seem sensible and biology focussed, puberty is natural etc but to then have resources about gender ID that are so stereotyped? It’s almost like 2 different groups producing it!

Thank you for your response @Faffertea . Indeed it looks your DS' school is taking a reasonable approach.
I read the e-mail from DD's school and got that horrible, sinking feeling that they will be teaching some rubbish.
The lesson about the toys is enough to make me feel wary. It seems to plant the seed about non-binary as an option, for those children who are not walking stereotypes. I have now messaged the school and asked for further information.

I got a reply from the school, they don't do any extra books or any other external resources. I was also sent a more detailed breakdown of the lessons and it looks pretty meek, at least for now.

Is there any way of sharing the breakdown of the lessons? I've not had luck getting any more info from the school than the pamphlet

I think Jigsaw is quite sly. They have innocuous-looking material that seems ok at a quick glance, but if you read it carefully, you’ll spot implicit reinforcement/introduction of GI.

As an example, one section my DC did was about pregnancy. I don’t remember the whole thing but basically it was all about humans and having a baby. Then they slipped in something that said that females usually had the baby/babies. I bet if you confronted them about that, they’d be all ‘we meant seahorses and stuff’ but I firmly believe that’s shite because it was cunningly put in a section that would make young children think it applied to humans.

Not only that, the section about gender stereotypes, looks helpful but when I asked for the lesson plan, they had the children sorting clothes into ‘girls clothes’ and ‘boys clothes’ at one point. Again, I think this is subtle preparation for GI. They certainly did nothing to dismantle stereotypes, as shortly after that lesson my DS told me I’d have to “get a man” to rebuild the wall in our garden. I said that women could be builders and build walls too - and he said that no, men were better at that kind of job. I laughed and asked him who told him that and he told me they’d learned it at school 🙄

@BreatheAndFocus ouch. I guess I'm hoping for the new school guidance then. One of my friends' school uses No Outsiders 😬

The school I teach at uses Jigsaw but I don't personally deliver it so not of much help here!