The Times: Labour plans to simplify ‘dehumanising’ gender change process

[ResisterRex]

Read it and weep, vipers

"Labour will make it easier to change gender and is considering allowing a single family doctor to sign off on the decision under plans to “simplify” the process.

The party is considering how to make the legally binding certificate easier to obtain while still having guardrails to prevent mirroring controversial ­proposals in Scotland that would have ­removed doctors from the process ­altogether.

The plans include ditching a panel of doctors and lawyers that approve ­gender recognition certificates, the document allowing transgender people to have their affirmed gender legally recognised, and only requiring one doctor to be involved in the process.

The Times understands that one option under consideration is that the doctor could be a GP. Labour would ­also ­remove the ability of a spouse to object to the change. A source said the party wanted to make the process “less medicalised” but added that the plans would retain the involvement of a doctor and would not allow people to self-identify in order to obtain legal changes.

They said it had not yet been decided whether the medical professional would be a GP or a gender specialist, with the issue likely to go to consultation if the party wins the next election.

The discussions centre on concerns that if the single doctor was a specialist, a GP would still need to make the ­referral, therefore retaining the two-step process that Labour wants to drop."

Labour plans to simplify ‘dehumanising’ gender change process

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c739c-70b7-4819-866f-370ae67da6ab?shareToken=2a1dede2a48c5ec7388167f16bdd6cbb

This issue to my mind is so important and is the reason I will not be voting labour

My answer to the "why are we in this mess" is the reduction in quality of our politicians. Too many have little outside experience. I know the Care/Protection/Probate system is in a mess because that is my lived experience. Others know that disability support is no better. Or SEN or a whole range of other things.

Our parents might have, but normal people no longer have the time, or the stomach, to engage in politics. Couple with the social media and and the narrowing of experience, and younger politicians may well think that trans is an urgent societal issue. And they well dominate discussion in constituency associations, with older members staying quiet to avoid a row.

(The Tories won't be any better, though they too have their problems, with a predominately male, aging and falling membership. Hence why it has been so hard to persuade so many of their MPs that women's issues matter.)

Who represents us? What do we need to do for our needs and priorities to be woven into party pledges?

@Needmoresleep

You're absolutely right. As Tony Benn said

“What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you?”

Labour sure wouldn’t be exercising their power in the interests of the women in this country. Quite the opposite.

I got another email today from the local Labour Party Women's Forum woman I briefly crossed swords with last year. An invitation to a fundraiser:

Dear duc,

We are holding our Women's Forum fundraiser on 28th June, from 7pm, at [redacted]

Tickets, which include a fish and chip supper and pudding, are £15.
We'll be meeting for chips, chianti and (political) chat this summer – please save the date. Speakers are TBC. Tickets are £15. Please call/text/WhatsApp [redacted] and state how many tickets you would like. Payment details will be sent back. All genders welcome and kids too. Raffle prizes would be appreciated! Please note this event is upstairs.

This is the same woman, who, when I asked for their take on the treatment of Rosie Duffield and other women, invited me to reflect on my prejudice and read the LP policies on inclusion. it seems genderism is pretty well embedded in the LP. at local and national level.

Now that that the pension ages have been equalised for men and women, men can't get a financial benefit from claiming to be a woman (well apart from when they claim women's awards and prizes but that isn't the state that pays) and the state aren't that bothered about things that only adversely affect women so here we are.

That's true, though it does affect the state's ability to collect good quality data on everything from crime stats to exam performance. Perhaps they don't care about that stuff.

Another thing to consider if you're the Labour leadership (I say "another thing" but it's not clear to me that they've considered any thing at all in devising this policy) is that if you're really committed to gender ideology then you have to allow people to record a non-binary identity on their birth certificate. The idea that there are only two sexes, and you transition from one to another, no longer has any currency in transactivism.

Surprise surprise. Wes Streeting gives us what he thinks we want ‘trans women aren’t women’ whilst Labour undermine or sex based rights. I care a lot less about empty platitudes than I do about real action.

How dare they say a spouse cannot object. It should be immediate grounds for a divorce.

Under Labour, all they will have to do is find a single soft and biased GP, of which many exist, and they can waltz into female spaces.

@TicklishLemur

‘all they will have to do is find a single soft and biased GP’

Even easier than that. A predatory man, will simply go to an online GP, transfer £50, and hey presto, within hours, they’re a woman.

How wonderful for all those predatory men. ‘Legitimately’ entering safe female and child spaces.

It feels safer when my daughters go to a shopping centre, or use public bathrooms in the UAE and Saudi Arabia, than it does here.

What have we become??

I cannot stand the gaslighting

It makes me loathe them even more. Absolute arses

I hadn’t even thought of that! It’s horrendous isn’t it? How bloody sad that your daughters feel safer in a misogynistic regime than in the UK!

I don’t have any faith in the tories either. The ex deputy chairman said before thwy they are attempting to stoke a culture war on the trans issue in order to win the next election, now they can’t rely on brexit and Corbyn. I have no doubt their new commitment to female rights will be dropped as soon as they achieve that

Quite! Changing your legal sex is a big deal , it should be hard because it impacts not just on you but on other people

Absolutely. Frankly I prefer the TRAs because at least they don’t attempt to hide their misogyny, violent tendencies and utter disregard for scientific fact. We know where we stand with those people and they frankly do a brilliant job all on their own of peaking the public

Indeed. I frankly can’t get on board with any legal ability to erase sex. But I think it is unlikely we can roll back the GRA, at least in this point of time. At least that was stringent enough that only 5000 people have ever been granted one.

Yes it’s the pretence and screwing over women that’s dangerous

They get it through unchallenged

This is Self ID isn’t it?

The equivalent of a GP note is Self ID

@TicklishLemur

‘How bloody sad that your daughters feel safer in a misogynistic regime than in the UK!’

Well to them, I’m sure (thank god) they’re not aware of how horrific predatory men can be.

So it is I who feels (knows) that they are safer using public facilities ( eg. shops, bathrooms, changing rooms), there, than here. Or any other country that has either self ID, mixed sex changing rooms / toilets, or both.

I know where I’d feel safer walking alone in the dark. And it sure as hell isn’t the U.K.

Isn’t it Ironic.

Yep. 🥺

I don’t have any faith in the tories either. The ex deputy chairman said before thwy they are attempting to stoke a culture war on the trans issue in order to win the next election
Really! You don't think Labour are actively setting up an own goal on this?

I don’t have any faith in the tories either. The ex deputy chairman said before thwy they are attempting to stoke a culture war on the trans issue in order to win the next election, now they can’t rely on brexit and Corbyn. I have no doubt their new commitment to female rights will be dropped as soon as they achieve that

Isn't this the simplicity of modern politics. Labour good Tories bad.

The issue is then when the left see themselves as having an almost divine right to votes, whether from ethnic minorities, women, the north. But without listening, without working for us.

We see it in the States. Trump bad. Trump voters bad. Democrats good. I can't now see a way out of the split, but believe it started when the Democrats stopped listening, and a good number of people starting thinking that Trump was speaking on their behalf. (Given the rise in the wealth gap he almost certainly wasn't, but then what does Biden care about girls no longer able to win races in girls athletics etc etc.)

We have good politicians on both sides. Or more accurately we have politicians who are good on this issue. Rosie obviously. Kemi too gets it and is not going to change, nor is Miriam Cates. I am not sure if I support them on other issues as I suspect they are more to the right or more religious than I am, but I don't think either is being opportunistic. Then David TC Davis, the pioneer. I got a chance to meet Chris Loder MP recently, who has been raising important issues around a local council funded Dorset youth group based partly on briefing supplied by the WRN and am pretty sure he too gets it.

There is as much diversity of opinion in the Conservative Party as there is in Labour - though after the recent defection of Natalie Elphicke, Labour has to win the crown. The point of a Government is to govern. After witnessing the performance of that woman in the space rocket dress at a Westminster Hall debate a few months ago, some of the recent Tory scandals, and our member for Brighton Kempton, I wonder. Perhaps we need a campaign for capable and sensible MPs. Someone compiles a list and then we vote for the person in our constituency who is most likely to represent their constituents properly. A bit like a Stonewall list, but based on proper criteria.

Sorry I’m not quite sure what you’re asking, could you clarify for me?

Oh I absolutely agree. There are politicians on both sides who appear to be genuine in their attempts to tackle this issue. I just don’t think that can be said for the likes of Rishi Sunak or the Tory HQ.

Sorry - I meant that there was no requirement 'stoke a culture war' on the part of the tories when Labour are happily occupied doing that themselves.
Someone once said 'don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake '

Oh yes that’s true, but I do think there is a cynical attempt to exploit it all for political motives too! Labour know that too hence the U turn that they have made. Wouldn’t it be nice if they all just actually wanted to listen to the views of women, LGB people etc.

But I thought the whole point was that they HAVEN'T made a U turn?

That would be Napoleon.

I was totally peed off when I received a letter about my smear test which said is for women and people with a cervix …
I’ve never known such rubbish in my life and this was tbe NHS ! I am still angry about this crap