The Times: Labour plans to simplify ‘dehumanising’ gender change process

[ResisterRex]

Read it and weep, vipers

"Labour will make it easier to change gender and is considering allowing a single family doctor to sign off on the decision under plans to “simplify” the process.

The party is considering how to make the legally binding certificate easier to obtain while still having guardrails to prevent mirroring controversial ­proposals in Scotland that would have ­removed doctors from the process ­altogether.

The plans include ditching a panel of doctors and lawyers that approve ­gender recognition certificates, the document allowing transgender people to have their affirmed gender legally recognised, and only requiring one doctor to be involved in the process.

The Times understands that one option under consideration is that the doctor could be a GP. Labour would ­also ­remove the ability of a spouse to object to the change. A source said the party wanted to make the process “less medicalised” but added that the plans would retain the involvement of a doctor and would not allow people to self-identify in order to obtain legal changes.

They said it had not yet been decided whether the medical professional would be a GP or a gender specialist, with the issue likely to go to consultation if the party wins the next election.

The discussions centre on concerns that if the single doctor was a specialist, a GP would still need to make the ­referral, therefore retaining the two-step process that Labour wants to drop."

Labour plans to simplify ‘dehumanising’ gender change process

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c739c-70b7-4819-866f-370ae67da6ab?shareToken=2a1dede2a48c5ec7388167f16bdd6cbb

So just as the teens are starting to roll their eyes at special gender identity, along comes the incoming government with a cracking wheeze to help middle aged men who have had enough of the effort and financial responsibilities associated with raising children?

And labour women can't see it.

We need better public services. I had thought the grown ups were back in charge and it was safe to vote labour. I'm appalled by this. Its so depressing.

But there will be TRA GPs on line, happy to sign it off.

Why are they so stupid? Why? Have they simply not engaged with anything that's gone on in the past seven years since the Tory consultation? I don't understand how these people even brush their teeth or tie their shoelaces in the morning.

GPs will just sign it off. We already know from Cass that the reason children were being sent direct to GIDS (bypassing secondary care and not having a safeguarding assessment) was that GPs were scared of the backlash of not sending them there.

and would not allow people to self-identify in order to obtain legal changes.

What does this even mean? So they’ll keep the fig-leaf of a single GP sign off purely so they can pretend it’s not self-ID?

My GP’s is a group practice. I’ve rarely seen the same doctor twice. They don’t know me from Adam and have to trawl through my notes any time I go in. How in the hell is a GP going to do anything other than just sign the bit of paper?

How are they going to know the difference between someone who’s really “living as the other gender” (however you want to define that load of BS) and someone who, for instance, has recently been caught doing something they shouldn’t by the police and wants to try and muddy the waters before trial. Or someone who’s just plain confused and/or has all the co-morbidities we’ve come to know are often linked to a stated desire to ‘transition?’

Will the GP refer this person to counselling? If so, will the NHS have the resources for that? GIDS apparently didn’t, so what will Labour have changed?

Of course and I don’t even think regular GPs will do much more than sign it off for the most part

It’s Self ID pretty much

Do they have to do an equality impact assessment before they make the change?
If they change the GRA and the negative effects we are warning about happen, how difficult would it be to change it back? Or would a future govt just scrap the GRA altogether?

Doctors would have to get people to sign a waiver - so that there would be no chance of people coming for them in the future when the regrets kick in.

I suspect the actvist's longer term plan is to scrap the idea of 'sex' altogether - and replace it entirely with 'gender' - that way getting rid of the problem altogether.

I suspect many GPs are going to be unhappy withis proposal, and so there will arise a list of select gender friendly GPs in your area from which you could choose.

Snowypeaks · Today 08:52

At the moment, the law allows a spouse to opt out, get a divorce and sort out all the financial and custody arrangements while the husband/wife is still legally male/female and the name on documents and bank accounts etc is the same.

I think it's the right to an uncontested annulment, rather than a divorce, as divorce isn't always acceptable for some women.

Snowypeaks · Today 09:05

Quoting myself because it's too late to edit. It is a right to annul the marriage. Apologies to all.

Gaahh! Sorry - second time today I've posted before reading to the end of the thread, dolt that I am....

How do we move back to sex as the determining factor In accessing spaces/services if men swan about with passport/driver's license & birth certificate saying female ?

Exactly. It also will weaken the Equality Act definition of "woman" as biological with a few exceptions much more.

Do they have to do an equality impact assessment before they make the change?
Good question @Thelnebriati Does anyone know the answer?

I wish I could say this isn't what I was expecting, but it's exactly what I was expecting.

Keir seems to suffer from the common barrister's complaint of assuming he's the cleverest person in the room. In his particular style of politics that translates into legalese word salad that's supposed to keep everyone happy and allow him leeway to do whatever he wants to do.

In practice this doesn't work, partly because on a polarised issue (see Brexit) his fudges please nobody, and partly because when you've seen him do it once you can't miss it the next time he does it.

So this is where I imagined Labour would end up - we won't formally have self-ID (which will enrage the crazier TRAs) but we'll have self-ID in everything but name, with a fig leaf of GP sign off that is not gatekeeping at all. And we'll formally have single sex spaces but they'll be gender identity based spaces because it will be incredibly easy to become legally female.

It's a Keir classic. Slow handclap.

Yes to all this

I don't rate Starmer as a politician and people are right that this won't please the extremists he's trying to pander to.

All of this.

Self ID is just a political signaller that is is ok for men to be in women's spaces.

We already have self ID in practice in so many services and spaces.

What we need is to totally kick back on this and have firmly sex segregated spaces in ALL single sex spaces.

And a repeal of the GRA to signal this.

'change gender'

This is an oxymoron.

Gender exists only inside the persons head.

Alarming and very disappointing. Thank you for sharing this link, OP.

It’s nonsensical, rather than an oxymoron. Nobody can prove that gender “exists”, so how can it be changed?

Doesn't Kier Starmer have a trans child? Could explain a lot.....

I thought it was Yvette Cooper.

Maybe they all do? It’s probably considered quite “trendy” in certain circles - luxury beliefs, etc.

Goodness knows what these politicians who are parents of “trans” children think post Cass 🤯

Cooper's son's actions were reported when Zahawi visited Warwick Uni