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Single sex toilets - new legal requirements taking effect on 1st October

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OfInvention · 17/05/2024 11:11

We know how very important the provision of single sex, publicly accessible toilets are for millions of women and girls, and men and boys.
I want to draw your attention to a new document which contains regulations which come into effect on 1 October.
Please look at "Toilet Accomodation Approved Document T"
This document describes the size, layout, fittings and equipment of single-sex toilets. Also, it directs readers to other documents and a British Standard, which deal with sanitary provision for baby changing.
Part T is not perfect, but it does clarify the requirement for single-sex facilities, as well as very many other requirements. It's a step in the right direction! Please read Part T and pass the information on to your friends and colleagues.

Rest assured, there are still many women quietly working to make life better for women and girls.
Best wishes,
Of Invention

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mcduffy · 17/05/2024 11:24

Thanks @OfInvention
I can't see a link, but I'm on the app.
My work recently announced its trans and NB inclusion policy where it stated to use toilets in line with gender identity, despite us also having "gender neutral restrooms" as well (in London but they've used US terminology). I had a look round to find some guidance on this and had no luck so hopefully this will be useful

Seainasive · 17/05/2024 14:11

Great document, clear and easy to read, sex not gender. Unfortunately it will only apply to new buildings & major refurbs starting after 1 October 2024

Chariothorses · 17/05/2024 16:22

@OfInvention A massive and welcome improvement, but personally I think it will need to be underpinned by either statutory guidance or legislation which confirms reality - ie what 'single sex' is with consequences for males who ignore it (eg under voyeurism legislation) ie female excludes all males, whatever their gender beliefs or GRC status- because Stonewall etc have worked to hard to remove social norms.

An example.
Local University, where all 3 options are available. Males who say they are trans can use all 3, so walk past both the male and 'gender neutral' to use the female loos, meaning there are none for women/ girls who need single sex facilities.

Due to LGBT groups input, the same applies in all local Council facilities- public toilets, leisure centres, theatres etc and offices- even 'for women' abuse support for rape and domestic abuse- and the local NHS....

OfInvention · 18/05/2024 12:46

On a personal level, I do try to make time to complain as effectively as possible about publicly accessible toilets, the "providers" of which do not ensure the correct provision of safe, single sex toilets. The Equalities Act 2010 is absolutely clear that single sex refers to BIRTH sex, NOT trans sexual people.
It takes up some time, but a few face-to-face conversations with on-site managers, and/ or letters (emails) to higher levels of management, informing them clearly that they are breaking the law, usually get a positive response. Often, the providers are acting on untruthful information given by unreliable sources. Truth will out!

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Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 17:49

It’s not that great unfortunately. I will have to disagree with you @OfInvention

I have looked at it in depth.

Why do you think it’s good?

OfInvention · 18/05/2024 19:08

Good points in T1: Toilet accommodation?
Page 4: T1. (1) (a)
"must consist of -
(i) reasonable provision for male and female single-sex toilets
(b) may consist of universal toilets in addition to single-sex toilets

I am pleased that priority is given to single- sex toilets, with universal toilets in addition to single-sex toilets (not instead of!)

I have been campaigning on all aspects of toilet provision since 1985. It is very important that universal toilets are always provided (where space allows) as many thousands of people are caring for persons of the opposite sex who made need discreet assistance when utilising toilet facilities, e.g. people with dementia. However, these should only be provided in addition to single-sex facilities, not instead of them.

Also, T1 makes "official" references to BS 6465, which now has four parts. Part 4 makes it clear that women require twice as many facilities as men. For example, if 100 men were provided with 3 urinals and two cubicles (5 facilities), 100 women should have 10 cubicles (facilities) to achieve what I term "equality of access". Historically, women are provided with fewer facilities than men, hence the queues for women to use toilets at many locations. I do not intend to go into detail, suffice to say that British Standards will be getting more attention.

It has always seemed very strange to me that society thinks it acceptable that women have to queue, as though their time, health and enjoyment of life is less important than that of men.

In my opinion, this "edition" of T1 is a small step in the right direction. Incidentally, do you realise that the Public Health Act 1936 (Section 87, sub-section 3, part c) allowed Local Authorities to change women to go to the toilet, but did not allow men to be charged to use urinals? This was not amended until 2008! So women can no longer be charged for using toilets unless men are also charged, which seems fair to me!

My dedicated website is rather out of date, but you might find my practical guide of interest (free to download) :

www.PublicInConveniences.org.uk

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Public In-Conveniences Public In-Conveniences is a brief and easy-to-use guide for organisations which have a special interest in the provision of “away from home” toilets. Clearly explaining the requirements of different sections of the population, d...

http://www.publicinconveniences.org.uk

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Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 19:21

It is going to lead to more deaths, preventable injuries such as brain injuries from smoke inhalation etc. I believe it contravenes Health and Safety at Work and Equality Rights. Unfortunately, the last two will only be able to be tested when someone dies or suffers serious injury because of the design and it can be proven (it will) that the design lead to the death or injury. But by then, businesses and designers will have spent loads of money sorting out toilets and new stuff will be being designed now.

It affects everyone, but mostly medically vulnerable people and women.

All of the designs (at least two actually stipulate) can be fully enclosed.

It’s only the single sex that doesn’t show a full height door because the profile picture is missing. But then it says the enclosed universal design can be used.

Where do you go when you feel ill in public/at work/out shopping/in a nightclub/bar? Feeling ill and nauseous can be a sign of spiking, heart attack, stroke or seizure. In fact straining in the toilet puts more pressure on organs so going to the loo is a factor in itself. Medically proven and researched.

To put it into perspective, in this country:

•100,000 have a heart attack each year
•100,000 have a stroke each year
•80 people are diagnosed with epilepsy each day (1 in 106 people have epilepsy)
•thousands of people, mainly women are spiked 80% occurring in public at nightclubs and clubs

It is obvious that collapse needs to be considered as a risk.

If a person collapses in a toilet cubicle, their chances of surviving are dependent on

  1. someone else knowing they are in trouble
  2. being able to rescue them quickly

These toilet designs have just removed 1 &2. Even if the occupant hasn’t locked the door, or the door lock can be undone from the outside, three of the designs can have an inward opening door so the body would block entry.

The government commissioned a big report from a private company to look at toilet designs in particular for people who are disabled and have long term health conditions. It’s 171 pages long. It did not consider (and they were never mentioned) the long term conditions of diabetes, cardiac conditions or epilepsy. These make up most of the people with long term health conditions. Stroke was mention once - in terms of hand rails. I would think a hand rail is less important than a door gap if you have a stroke in the cubicle. Periods were not considered (apart from ‘sanitary bin’ space) nor menorrhagia. The term ‘menstrual’ and ‘menstruation’ were mentioned twice, and only in the context of two USA studies on trans and non-binary menstrual equity. There were 132 mentions of the word ‘urinal’ and lots of research on urinal heights.

Also - the single sex toilet is positioned centrally and then the sanitary bin squashed in. Male designer methinks. Women would put the bin in, then centre the toilet in the remaining gap.

If you still not convinced… I can then talk about fully enclosed doors and fire safety risk for occupant and rescuer, and also disease risk (both surface contamination and aerosol concentration)?
Door gaps are needed at the top and bottom of the designs.

The documents say women like the safety of these designs. This woman doesn’t and there is absolutely loads of evidence to prove they are less safe. Assaults and rapes happen in private places. Door gaps are needed for safety.

In the consultation, I detailed much of these and, very surprisingly, nothing has been mentioned about door gaps either in the analysis of the consultation nor any of the documents regarding Document T.

MasterMindYourOwnBusiness · 18/05/2024 19:23

What will happen with all the school toilet that have been recently turned into 'gender neutral' spaces with boys and girls using toilets in the same room (and no the are not floor to ceiling)?

Myteenhatesme · 18/05/2024 19:35

@Keeptoiletssafe I agree with everything you have just written and I would add that it is much easier to mop and dry cubicles that have gaps at the bottom. Completely enclosed rooms have greater problems with dirt and mould but, predictably, nobody seems to care about that.

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 19:43

Schools toilets are under different regulations. Though, I expect they will follow suit.

Just another little statistic

  • One in every 220 children under 18 will have a diagnosis of epilepsy. That is an average of two children with epilepsy in every primary school and nine in every secondary school.

How are these children catered for if every toilet is enclosed? Before mentioning alarm pull cords, many people feeling ill have confusion before seizures or collapse so the ability to recognise and remember to pull a cord is compromised.

Boiledbeetle · 18/05/2024 19:45

These toilet designs have just removed 1 &2. Even if the occupant hasn’t locked the door, or the door lock can be undone from the outside, three of the designs can have an inward opening door so the body would block entry.

@Keeptoiletssafe re the someone being collapsed against an inward opening door, they have considered that. See below, especially 2.4 c and d. It's not perfect but they will be openable If someone is unconscious leaning against an inward opening door.

In the dim and distant past we used to do the fully enclosed doors using hinges with removable pins so that in a emergency the first responders could just knock the pins out and take the door off as one if there wasn't room for an inward and outward opening door

Of course you've still got to realise there may be someone unconscious in there first place to raise the alarm!

"2.4 The door to a toilet cubicle, a toilet room or a universal toilet should meet the following.
a. Not obstruct emergency escape routes when opened.
b. Be fitted with light action privacy bolts operable with a closed fist and operable by people with a variety of dexterity or strength combinations.
c. Be capable of being opened from the outside if a person has collapsed against it while inside the toilet room or cubicle.
d. If the door is inward opening, have an emergency release mechanism so that the door is capable of being opened outward, from the outside, in case of emergency, such as when a person has collapsed while inside the toilet room or cubicle.
e. Be as light in weight as possible and, if required to self-close, be opened using a force at the leading edge of not more than 30N from 0 degrees (the door in the closed position) to 30 degrees open, and not more than 22.5N from 30 degrees to 60 degrees of the opening cycle.
f. Open with one hand using a closed fist (e.g. a lever handle).
g. Adequately resist the passage of sound in toilet rooms. "

Single sex toilets - new legal requirements taking effect on 1st October
Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 19:54

Myteenhatesme · 18/05/2024 19:35

@Keeptoiletssafe I agree with everything you have just written and I would add that it is much easier to mop and dry cubicles that have gaps at the bottom. Completely enclosed rooms have greater problems with dirt and mould but, predictably, nobody seems to care about that.

Yep. If someone has a nasty D&V bug, there is the very welcome option of throwing disinfectant on the walls and floor and having a good soak. Also the cleaner can attack much of it from outside the cubicle. All of that will be lost with partitions and doors down to the floor. The full length doors are more likely to warp with liquids and therefore the cubicle is then out of action.

Boiledbeetle · 18/05/2024 20:29

Re the doors opening inwards...

Out of curiosity I've just gone and pulled out some toilet layouts designed to the Building Regs of the time from a job I did over 20 years ago (christ it doesn't feel like that long ago) and you can see both the staff and the disabled WC are fully enclosed single person spaces and have fully enclosed doors with only the disabled opening outwards, (despite the fact these two rooms were next to each other and opened up onto the same corridor so both could have opened outwards!) however as it was a medical setting all types of toilet space were definitely designed so that they could be opened from the outside and the doors removed completely if required. I can't remember exactly how it was achieved on this particular job (I'll have to remember to look next time I'm there). The door drawings which I don't have anymore were obviously more detailed as to how they were removable!

But I do know that they are still on the original flooring and doors after 20 years. Although they are looking rather knackered the days.

This is not me advocating for single everything all in one room inward opening door spaces with no gaps by the way!

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Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 20:30

Good spot @Boiledbeetle this is very welcome. I had read that as universal toilets only but it says ‘toilet cubicles’ as well. I would be interested to see how this works in practice. Will the standardisation mean everyone knows how to open a toilet door from the outside? Good for emergencies (if you know about them) but not so good for kids pratting about or worse. I am not sure how you get a door opening out without gaps at the side which are far less private but I can imagine bolts are hopefully serviceable and the way to do it.

Far better to have a gap at the bottom. Quick response. And a gap between the top and the ceiling so you can get over to the person. Also much better for ventilation and preventing assaults etc happening in the first place.

As for 2.4g the door ‘adequately resisting the passage of sound’ - I would rather hear a fart than not hear a cry for help.

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 20:39

One manufacturer I spoke to said their doors could definitely be opened from the outside by taking down the partitions and metalwork. There was a long set of instructions. And the venue did not have the instructions. 2.5d will mean these toilets won’t be replicated in future. So small win there.

Boiledbeetle · 18/05/2024 20:45

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 20:39

One manufacturer I spoke to said their doors could definitely be opened from the outside by taking down the partitions and metalwork. There was a long set of instructions. And the venue did not have the instructions. 2.5d will mean these toilets won’t be replicated in future. So small win there.

😱 that's shocking!

TeaandScandal · 18/05/2024 20:49

Seainasive · 17/05/2024 14:11

Great document, clear and easy to read, sex not gender. Unfortunately it will only apply to new buildings & major refurbs starting after 1 October 2024

Only applies to new buildings??
🙄

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/05/2024 21:09

@OfInvention apologies if it sounded I was having a go. I am not. But I have a good experience of saving a young person’s life due to a toilet door gap but then in another incident decades later where I could have helped someone if I had known but didn’t because there was no gap. And if anyone had had my experience it is just so obvious that the gaps save lives.

It’s so ironic that there are literally pages of references on grab rails but nothing on collapse. Or assaults. Or best design for getting rid of vomit/poo on the floor. All should have come up with gaps at the bottom of the door being a solution.

Chariothorses · 18/05/2024 21:14

@OfInvention I hadn't noticed the new requirements for more toilets for women. That has been much needed for ever and is also good! Will the new regs affect events where there are portaloos eg big council funded festivals? (Assume not but live in hope)

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