Seneed vote against accepting the Cass report recommendations

[Janie143]

So 38 voted against https://nation.cymru/news/mss-vote-against-recommendations-of-cass-review/

Wtf

Pandering shitwits.

Sickening idiocy. I am appalled. Every move this bunch makes reinforces their incompetence.

Yep. At least she was invited to answer questions in Scotland

Seriously?
The trans capture of the Welsh government is terrifying. Sympathies to anyone with children living in Wales.

What the fuck is wrong with them?

Absolutely shocking.

Hadn’t realised the Senedd was full of doctors and psychologists!

Not sure what the actual vote was about as apparently NHS Wales will be adopting the recommendations.

From the article:

Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Eluned Morgan said that due to the “limited number” of young people in Wales requiring gender services, “expert gender identity services” are provided by NHS England.
She said: “Our referral pathway in Wales, into those English services, already aligns with one of the core Cass recommendations, as it includes an assessment by the child and adolescent mental health service before a referral is made.
“NHS Wales has also been working with NHS England, as part of the transformation programme for gender services, to ensure we are aligned to the Cass recommendations, as part of the changes NHS England is making to gender identity services for children and young people.”

I hope this makes them easier to sue.

It's seems to be posturing to make it clear that they don't agree with the findings but since they are beholden to NHS England to provide the actual service there's nothing they can do about it

Yes, it's cake and eat it really – they're posturing so they stay on side with the TRAs, but they can only do it (and know they can only do it) because actually they will, in effect, be adopting the recommendations, so healthcare in Wales will in any case improve. They make their point but keep their hands clean.

Shameful.

Ah FFS. I’m in Cardiff and I despair of this shit show

How embarrassing for them to make themselves look so damn stupid, even after Scotlands lesson. In future how will they cover themselves?

If they really felt that couldn't accept the Cass recommendations how could they support this:

Instead, an amendment was tabled by the Welsh Government to propose that the Senedd:
1. Notes the publication of the Cass review.
2. Notes that NHS Wales commissions gender identity services for children and young people 17 and under from NHS England.
3. Notes that NHS England has concluded there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of puberty suppressing hormones for the treatment of gender dysphoria in children and young people at this time.
4. Notes the Welsh Government will continue to develop the transgender guidance for schools taking account of the Cass review and stakeholder views.
This motion was passed with all 52 MSs voting in favour of it.

Surely this means the Senedd is voting against what it believes in.

But they are allowing all those people it says are not getting the care they needed to not get it, and will be telling schools to take note of the Cass review!

If they really believed what they are grand standing about wouldn't they have put forward a proposal to commission services from another provider?!!

Does anyone know how I can check how my MS voted?

It's crazy that a parliament would be voting on accepting these recommendations in the first place. Since when does methodologically conscientious research have to be approved/disapproved by politicians?

Idiotic grandstanding. And grandstanding on stilts to have failed to vote in support of the recommendations.

Also in Wales and agree they have been captured. Mark Drakeford had vowed to make us the most trans friendly country in Europe, seeming to ignore just how well that had gone for Scotland 🙄😡

Fuck.

Thank heavens children in Wales are served by NHS England.

And why on earth is it considered pro trans to say trans people shouldn't get evidence based healthcare? Just imagine if anyone tried to do that to any other group (well, apart from women obviously who are left out of medical studies as much as possible because only men count).

There was a thread about this already, a couple of weeks ago.

There seems to be a section of They Work for You that might help https://www.theyworkforyou.com/senedd/

This article is from a couple of weeks ago and was previously discussed here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5067949-welsh-senedd-reject-cass-findings?reply=135018461

“Instead, an amendment was tabled by the Welsh Government to propose that the Senedd:”

I think that part is fairly straightforward Iwantoretire.

A conservative member of the Senedd proposed a motion.

Rather than voting with the conservatives, and supporting the Tories wording, Labour tabled their own version of the wording. The Labour version got the support of other political parties. The conservative wording didn’t get the support of other political parties,

It’s not “the Senedd” voting. The Senedd can’t vote against itself as it isn’t a single/individual entity. It’s members of the Senedd voting. The members of the Senedd are from the various political parties and they vote along party lines.

“If they really believed what they are grand standing about wouldn't they have put forward a proposal to commission services from another provider?!!”

Who’s “they” here? Do you mean the Senedd or the Welsh Government?

The Senedd and the Welsh Government are not the same thing.

The Welsh Government is comprised of those members of the Senedd who’ve been appointed as Welsh Ministers.

I’m not clear who you think has been grandstanding. I don’t see any grandstanding in the Labour wording. Was the grandstanding in the conservative motion? Or did you have something else in mind.

Or did you have something else in mind.

Not sure why but you seem to have gone to great lengths to construe something I clearly wasn't saying.

Having voted down the Conservative motion

an amendment was tabled by the Welsh Government

which was passed.

ie all those who voted against the Conservative motion voted for something that effectively said they would support the Cass review.

If they really believed that Cass was wrong, which they indicated by voting against the Tories, they (as clearly stated in the article - the Welsh Government) would have put forward a motion that for example, noted the Cass review but that they (the Welsh Government) would not allow the guidelines this imposed to restrict the rights of their trans constituents that they would make alternative arrangements.

As it is they have de facto accepted the Cass review as that will be the health practice.

So voting down the Tories was puerile / infactile grand standing.

And hypocrisy.

Well, politics being what it is, I guess opponents of the Labour Party will make various accusations against the Labour Party, while the Labour Party will vote in favour of their own wording in preference to the words used by their political opponents.