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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I despair of my profession (Aus dr)

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Distractedbydogz · 10/05/2024 10:03

I read an article from a medical professional journal-the journal of the Australian College of General Practitioners today where it had a diagram showing sex as a spectrum 🙄 ffs!

They also talked about how the regret rates for surgery are negligible (using citations that were 21 years and 13 years old as evidence) and said that patients shouldn't have any psychological evaluation before they are sent to have surgical affirmation (I.e. genital butchery). It glossed over complications from genital surgery in two sentences no mention of the percentage of patients who get complications.

I hate how the rest of the world seems to be starting to see sense but Australia is pushing forward with this bulltrot!

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 10/05/2024 10:36

Is there any particular historical or cultural reason why Australia is doing this?

Distractedbydogz · 10/05/2024 11:14

I don't know why, I think fervent believers and activists are good at getting into positions of authority and maybe most people have other things to worry about so what's happening isn't even on their radar.
There was minimal acknowledgement of the Cass report, the only comments were trying to claim that the findings didn't apply to Australia for reasons...

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ZaraWebsiteGivingMeTheDoubleRage · 10/05/2024 11:18

said that patients shouldn't have any psychological evaluation before they are sent to have surgical affirmation (I.e. genital butchery)

The rest of it I could see people only paying attention with half an ear but surely this bit should make them question, or at least wonder, why not?

socialwannabe · 10/05/2024 11:29

Is Australia like America, in that politics is very tribal and divided? So if you think you are good progressive, you switch off your critical thinking facilities and follow this ideology.

Distractedbydogz · 10/05/2024 11:40

socialwannabe · 10/05/2024 11:29

Is Australia like America, in that politics is very tribal and divided? So if you think you are good progressive, you switch off your critical thinking facilities and follow this ideology.

Politically we're more like the UK with two main parties and the greens and a few other small parties and independent MPs. There is Labour leadership in the majority of states currently and they are also in charge of the Federal (country as a whole) so that may contribute to "progressive" agendas.

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Distractedbydogz · 10/05/2024 11:43

All the gender questioning people I have encountered in the past year or so have so many mental health problems, making it easier for them to have these surgeries concerns me so much.

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EasternStandard · 10/05/2024 11:44

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 10/05/2024 10:36

Is there any particular historical or cultural reason why Australia is doing this?

Labor gov?

duc748 · 10/05/2024 12:29

So the problem with the discredited WPATH guidelines is that they're too strict?

WTAF? Sex is not a spectrum. Every ten-year-old knows this. It's really worrying when HCPs say this.

UtopiaPlanitia · 10/05/2024 12:32

Politicians in Canada like to virtue signal by claiming their country is not like their bigger, stronger neighbour America.

It happens in Scotland and Ireland too: politicians claiming 'we’re better than England because our policies are so progressive'.

Maybe it’s happening in Australia too?

EasternStandard · 10/05/2024 12:45

It’s odd because on other policies Aus is the most hardline and a Labor gov won’t budge on that, they are the toughest on border control amongst most countries

Maybe Labor / left overload gender as a way to compensate

AGlinnerOfHope · 10/05/2024 12:52

25 years ago I stayed in Sidney area for 6 months. I loved it, but it felt a couple of decades behind the uk, socially speaking. They were doing a ‘buy British’ equivalent campaign at the time, and the excellent children’s tv programming was based around Playschool.

Obviously that’s a snap shot and an old one at that. Pre universal internet apart from anything else. The movement of ideas and cultures will have changed enormously.

I wonder though whether gender woo arrived a little later and hasn’t quite peaked.

Distractedbydogz · 10/05/2024 13:10

AGlinnerOfHope · 10/05/2024 12:52

25 years ago I stayed in Sidney area for 6 months. I loved it, but it felt a couple of decades behind the uk, socially speaking. They were doing a ‘buy British’ equivalent campaign at the time, and the excellent children’s tv programming was based around Playschool.

Obviously that’s a snap shot and an old one at that. Pre universal internet apart from anything else. The movement of ideas and cultures will have changed enormously.

I wonder though whether gender woo arrived a little later and hasn’t quite peaked.

In many ways you're right but in medicine we're supposed to be (and usually are) up to date and evidence based

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LilyBartsHatShop · 10/05/2024 13:29

EasternStandard · 10/05/2024 12:45

It’s odd because on other policies Aus is the most hardline and a Labor gov won’t budge on that, they are the toughest on border control amongst most countries

Maybe Labor / left overload gender as a way to compensate

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Except it's not just Greens and Labour that are beholden to gender ideology. The politician that KJK is suing in Victoria for defamation is the leader of the Victorian Liberal party (equivalent to UK tories). The way they treated Deeming is worse than UK Labour's treatment of Duffield.

@AGlinnerOfHope "I wonder though whether gender woo arrived a little later and hasn’t quite peaked."
It's much worse than this. Twenty years ago, when UK was just introducing the GRA, Victoria's civil courts had already ruled that Lesbian women had no right to hold Lesbian-only events, or have Lesbian only premises, unless their definition of Lesbian included male people (meanwhile The Court - a gay bar - was permitted to ban female people from its sex-on-premesis rooms). Services set up for women survivors of male violence gave in and began centering the needs of male people soon after. It's now law in Victoria that any service, amenity, short-list, support group - anything designed and set up for women must be made availavble to male people who announce having a female soul. Or whatever.
In the intervening decades other states have followed suit. The "reddest" states are due to introduce similar laws now.
It all feels a bit bye-the-bye here, it's been going on so long.

Holly Lawford-Smith is a trooper. And maybe, just maybe if Tickle v Giggle succeeds on appeal to the high (supreme?) court things could change. But I'm despondent.

EasternStandard · 10/05/2024 13:34

LilyBartsHatShop · 10/05/2024 13:29

Except it's not just Greens and Labour that are beholden to gender ideology. The politician that KJK is suing in Victoria for defamation is the leader of the Victorian Liberal party (equivalent to UK tories). The way they treated Deeming is worse than UK Labour's treatment of Duffield.

@AGlinnerOfHope "I wonder though whether gender woo arrived a little later and hasn’t quite peaked."
It's much worse than this. Twenty years ago, when UK was just introducing the GRA, Victoria's civil courts had already ruled that Lesbian women had no right to hold Lesbian-only events, or have Lesbian only premises, unless their definition of Lesbian included male people (meanwhile The Court - a gay bar - was permitted to ban female people from its sex-on-premesis rooms). Services set up for women survivors of male violence gave in and began centering the needs of male people soon after. It's now law in Victoria that any service, amenity, short-list, support group - anything designed and set up for women must be made availavble to male people who announce having a female soul. Or whatever.
In the intervening decades other states have followed suit. The "reddest" states are due to introduce similar laws now.
It all feels a bit bye-the-bye here, it's been going on so long.

Holly Lawford-Smith is a trooper. And maybe, just maybe if Tickle v Giggle succeeds on appeal to the high (supreme?) court things could change. But I'm despondent.

Fair enough I don’t know how individuals fall politically

I think that NZ has rowed back a bit slightly with a new gov, not sure by how much, but do you think Liberals would change much? It’s Dutton isn’t it, what’s he like on gender?

And I know states have a fair bit of sway, but even Tas is pretty full on, which had Liberal until last election, bit of a mix now

I wonder why gender is so strong and if it will change

LilyBartsHatShop · 10/05/2024 13:34

Anyway, solidarity @Distractedbydogz. I got out of my healthcare profession nearly a decade ago because all my professional bodies were suddenly frothing at the mouth with excitement over the prospect of performing experimental surgeries and drug regimens on children. Because sparkle gender sparkle.

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