Bill Maher on children and 'Pedophiles in Hollywood'.

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From the article ;
"Wokeness is not an extension of liberalism anymore. It's more often taking something so far that it becomes the opposite," the comedian said. "At a certain point, inclusion becomes promotion. And contrary to current progressive dogma, children aren't miniature adults wise beyond their years, their morons."

He continued: "They're gullible morons who will believe anything and just want to please grownups and they don't have any frame of reference. So, they normalize whatever's happening. That's why endlessly talking about gender to six-year-olds isn't just inappropriate—it's what the law would call entrapment."

https://www.newsweek.com/bill-maher-pedophiles-hollywood-viral-video-1892498

Wow. Meher is really not settling down like a good American Democrat voter should.

I understand why De Santis rubs people on the left the wrong way, but the way his bill was really completely presented totally inaccurately was a crime. And frankly the media in the UK is just as bad. I can't see any reason for it other than to completely shut down even the most low key discussion of schools' approach to sexual material.

I watch Maher every week and enjoy his take on lots of things - he’s basically what the sensible centre-left in America used to be until the American Left went 'wokier than thou'.

I’m glad he did this monologue; these are two subjects that definitely need to be discussed and addressed because children are being harmed.

Sensible man.

Pedophilia and grooming are rife in the entertainment industry. That's not a conspiracy theory either. Look at what happened to Shirley Temple, Drew Barrymore, Judith Barsi, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, the kids around Mike Jackson, Bill Crosby, Danny Masterton, Dan Schneider, R Kelly etc etc etc

That's why the industry pushes the trans agenda so uch. It offers them a steady stream of 'supply'

'...we're so tribal now the left will overlook child f*ing, if the guy from the wrong party calls it out," Maher said on his show.'

Oof.

It's so true.

Part of the difficulty is that they aren't, at least consciously, overlooking it.

They really believed DeSantis was proposing some crazy stuff, as opposed to what a lot of parents would think was pretty normal. They don't even consider that there might really be something dodgy going on - those are conspiracy theories.

We've all seen the posters here who think everything discussed by the right, or people like Maher (who clearly were always secretly right) is a conspiracy theory, and once something is labeled as such, won't even look at what is going on.

This kind of thing is actually a huge reason why people on the right, especially in the US, think that Democrats and liberal voters are actually knowingly ok with really evil shit. They think, reasonably, that all these people can't be so blind, they know what they are supporting and they support it because they like and agree with it.

It's actually mad how tribal America has become, to the detriment of basic safeguarding.

There was an interesting thread on here I read a month ago (sorry trying to find it to link to it) where the OP was kicked out of a WhatsApp mother's group for gently pushing back on the rest of the group's belief that JKR was an evil anti trans bigot. I lurked on that thread but found it really eye opening how they all basically put their fingers in their ears then chucked her out of the group and when she tried to then contact one of the individuals in the group separately she was blocked!

It's so so tribal, and not willing to listen whatsoever. Madness! I'm too scared to bring this topic up with my American friend, I suspect she's TWAW as her sister is and her youngest brother is very open about his TWAW views on fb (he's gay) and she has an adult DS who joins that uncle on a lot of anti republican marches. I haven't seen her post anything but she'll send me links to places they've visited where I can see her son and brother wearing the pride colours (the updated flag).

Myself and my other friend (she's UK too like me) are friends with her and we have talked about it IRL and we are both GC but she's not mentioned it to our American friend either. I'm v tempted but my friend here has said not to bother as the reaction would likely be to just stop talking to us. So a 20+ friendship gone.

"Wokeness is not an extension of liberalism anymore. It's more often taking something so far that it becomes the opposite,"

Liberalism is just a recognition that there are some things in society that need to change. It does not mean that certain people who call themselves liberals have all the solutions. It should be about open discussion of the problems, hammering out arguments until a new consensus emerges.

I have thought for some time that the trans issue is a bit of a dead cat, causing people to stop looking at the other sexual harms to children.
That along with the idea that children can make sexual decisions, leads to an increase in sexual abuse of children, in my opinion.

Yes large amounts of it is describing yourself as what you're not. So you don't need to look at your own side.

It's made easy with the past, and possible future, Trump presidency.

You say tribal. I say cultist.

The problem is that the tribalism has become so febrile that discussion is no longer allowed. "No debate" is a mantra some people live by.
When you think about it "No debate" can never be a good thing. Even if a subject is utterly settled, refusing debate is missing out on the opportunity to explain to the other side and try to convince them, bring them on board.
What no debate signifies to me is a weak argument that cannot be backed up by reason, so force, violence, and agression will have to make do instead.

The way society handles disagreement is the worst it's ever been in my lifetime. No one ever changes their mind by being threatened. You might be able to get them to shut up out of fear, but they will still believe their position even more strongly knowing that threats are the only a poor subsitiute for rational argument. This is utterly the wrong way to reach change through consensus.

There's a real life story I find incredibly inspiring. Daryl Davies is a black American jazz musician. He always found it strange that some people hated him for the colour of his skin even though they had never met him. He met with members of the Klu Klux Klan to try and figure out why. To start it was a fraught as you imagine, but after time he got to know them, and they got to know him. After a while many members of the KKK left the klan because they had come to respect Daryl. The grand wizard of Maryland left the clan and handed his robes to Daryl out of respect. In the state of Maryland so many members of the KKK left because of Daryl that the KKK collapsed in that state. The KKK has never recovered in Maryland. Daryl now has a wardrobe full of klan robes handed to him by members who have left the klan. No one man has had such a dismantling effect on the klan as this one black jazz musician Daryl Davies.
He did it not through threats and violence but through dialogue and understanding.

Today we have masked clueless kids hiding their identities, using threats, violence, intimidation, and tantrums to try and force people to bow to their will. It's understandable that kids with no life experience know fuck all, but the adults who support them have no such excuse.
https://www.npr.org/2014/11/14/363896136/the-silver-dollar-lounge

Daryl Davies is an amazing man. I have so much respect for him. He is a true 'anti-racist' activist. He literally changes hearts and minds of actual racists by interacting with them as equal human beings. None of this 'I feel unsafe in a room full of white people because of micro aggressions' .... He actually talks to KKK members. I wish more people were like him. It takes patience and time, and we would actually be able to make a real difference in society.

Oof indeed

I think this relevant to genderism and how some adults use children

Adults who insist that children can make the kind of decisions that only adults have the maturity to make are a walking 🚩. I completely agree with the point upthread about how tribal some issues have become to the detriment of keeping children and vulnerable people safe.

I’d add the posts on threads ridiculing safeguarding are relevant

Bill Maher stands fairly alone in the US in this debate, from the Democratic side of the aisle. The political tribalism has reached a boiling point.

But both parties seem to agree on how trivial women's rights are.
Here's a recent American take on why erasing the female sex from language is necessary.