Trans rights orgs outraged at NHS review of children's 'gender services' care

[ArabellaScott]

Things seem to be happening post-Cass, and various organisations are not happy.

The Good Law Project and various trans rights orgs have launched a new appeal/action, prompted by children/young people apparently receiving letters asking them to attend a review/assessment and seeking info on hormone treatment.

Copied and pasted excerpts from GLP's crowdfunder page (I can't link to it, obvs) below :

'The document, which does not bear the name of any NHS professional, asks providers of mental health support to children and young people (CYP) to invite those on the national waiting list for gender services for a face-to-face appointment. Providers are told: “We request all CYP who have been allocated to your service for mental health review are assessed as soon as possible.” One group is asked to be “reviewed and or assessed by… 30 June 2024.”'

'As part of this process, children and young people on the waiting list for trans healthcare have been sent a “Gender Experience Summary Form”, asking them or their families whether they are receiving support from “the private sector or from abroad… such as… hormone treatment.”'

'.... the document recognises that many trans youth will have sourced hormone treatment from “unregulated providers or unregulated sources.” It states that the largest “unregulated provider” is a service called GenderGP, which it says is “registered overseas and is therefore outside the reach of the UK health regulators.”'

'We are concerned about what appears to be a misleading exercise in gathering data on which trans youth are obtaining private treatment from abroad, for the purposes of seeking to cause or compel them to stop treatment.'

Other 'trans rights' organisations have been posting about it, too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1cknfxz/callout_to_trans_teenagers_and_their_families_in/

'QueerAF, What the Trans and Trans Safety Network are looking to speak to families affected by the plans leaked by the Good Law Project this week that could see some young trans people left with no choice but to medically detransition.

Parents, families and young trans peopleWe understand letters are going out to transgender young people and their families inviting them to have a mental health assessment. This will be framed as "enhanced support", but the assessment process will also gather information about what gender-affirming care, hormones or puberty blockers trans youth are taking, and where they are being prescribed for.

This information may be used against families who will be "advised" to stop care from sources without "appropriate care" (for example: private healthcare) - or face safeguarding referrals to local services.

We're seeking to gather information about the letters being sent to families, and the process because we're concerned this activity is designed to leave families and young transgender people with no choice but to medically detransition.'

JFC. It's the NHS. Not the Gestapo. Or the Chinese Communist Party. These people are mental.

'QueerAF, What the Trans and Trans Safety Network are looking to speak to families affected by the plans leaked by the Good Law Project this week that could see some young trans people left with no choice but to medically detransition.

Oh noes. They might stop poisoning themselves and actually deal with their issues. The horror.

I imagine this is the NHS starting to gear up to fulfill this recommendation from Cass:

'Children/ young people referred to NHS gender services must receive a holistic assessment of their needs to inform an individualised care plan. This should include screening for neurodevelopmental conditions, including autism spectrum disorder, and a mental health assessment.'

So, basically the NHS are going to ask all children/YP for a 'holistic assessment' and the trans rights organisations are reading various intentions into this.

'We are concerned about what appears to be a misleading exercise in gathering data on which trans youth are obtaining private treatment from abroad, for the purposes of seeking to cause or compel them to stop treatment'.

Not sure where they GLP get the 'misleading' from. Or how they leap to the assumption that this is for the purpose of seeking to 'compel' them to stop treatment.

Cass has asserted that children with gender issues need to be properly assessed and to be offered well evidenced, high quality treatment that helps them.

Curious why some people aren't happy about that.

Meanwhile women can't get help with gynaecological problems, or mental health support for miscarriage, infertility and baby loss.

A holistic assessment?

Whatever next, tracking, reporting and long term studies?

The horror.

I hope that they continue to shout loudly about their campaign to continue having access to medical interventions for which the NHS states that there is no evidence base.

Operation Let Them Speak.

The part that makes me sad is that Jolyon is crowdfunding from desperate parents.

Putting this one separately in case it gets deleted (I hope not, as it's public information that is in the public interest in relation to this issue) but I have a certain "sympathy" with his situation and the fact that he feels so passionately about it. However, my sympathy only goes as far as the pity I feel for the CEO of the Titan submarine, who went down with those on board, arrogantly believing that he was right, having convinced others to believe him too.

https://twitter.com/GenderReceipts/status/1769065770611311015?t=nZFObDCRMx90nKH48bqzZA&s=19

Shocking! Trying to protect vulnerable children from harm? Outrageous! Trying to support children who usually have additional issues as well as ‘gender’ - ooh, clearly the action of fascists 🙄

As an aside, I’ve found that anyone labelling themselves as Queer as f* is usually the most boring, desperate person around. No wonder they want children to prop up their house of cards.

Imagine.

By young transgender people he means children.

Perhaps the kids will, as Hilary Cass put it, ‘find a different way to be trans’ i.e. to be gender non-conforming without the drugs.

[Quote from this podcast, https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/improving-nhs-gender-identity-services-hilary-cass/id283916558?i=1000652271852 where Dr Cass talks to editor in chief of The BMJ. Can recommend if it’s not been done already.]

After the recent Family Court case one reason for asking about medication from other providers/off the internet may be to reduce life-threatening, inadequately monitored dosages of testosterone being taken by young transmen. Some private providers are not considering patient safety at all.

Yesterday, I came across this page of resources while searching for info about the book 'My body is me!' I'm posting it in case any people thinking of de-transitioning, or parents of children in that situation, come across this thread by chance.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/detransition/
I've only looked at some items but the list, including the 50-page downloadable booklet 'Gender De-transition: a path towards self-acceptance', seems like a very useful collection of ideas, support and information.

How are they expecting people to think it's a bad thing that the NHS is trying to find out if children are being given drugs without any medical supervision?

That’s what I find so weird - and surely this must have been engineered by adults? When I was young, it was cool to be GNC. The whole point of that was to stick a middle finger up at the silly gender stereotypes. I remember laughing when my Mum asked “Who’s he?” pointing at a female friend of mine in a photo.

Imagine being so old-fashioned that you’d think a girl couldn’t have short hair and wear a ‘boys shirt’ and trousers. Imagine being so old-fashioned you think that boys can’t wear make up! Yet now - here we are, where all those stereotypes are back.

Was this just the circle of time thing where we become progressive then regress again over cycles - or was it deliberately engineered?

Well what an outrage NHS looking to do a holistic assessment for all patients.

Cass and co will now find out how nutty the nut jobs really are, and hey ho, who was on the toxic side of the debate.

Happy days, guess our job is done here apart from popcorn and watching.

Looks like the great Trans roll back is starting to happen. I’m a bit cynical about it though I wonder if any stats on the physical damage that’s been inflicted is starting to trickle through.

@Hugosmaid as i understand it the NHSE have now commissioned a review of all adult services, I will be drawing my pension by then, but the lid it seems is coming off the gravy boat, so to speak.

So the NHS have said that young people need to have a face to face appointment and the TRAs think that's a bad thing???

I think what we're seeing is panic.

Nancy Kelley wrote a negative appraisal of the NHS initiative in Diva a few days ago and there is also a non-supportive quote from Lauren Stoner.

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/05/02/nhs-trans-private-healthcare/

These people are bloody idiots. When it suits them they are screaming that 'trans kids' are killing themselves on waiting lists but then they won't support these kids having a mental health assessment.

Panic at them being found out (and hopefully punished) for giving bad medical advice to vulnerable children, and adolescents, or panic at losing the social cachet and an income stream that came from doing this awful thing?

For various reasons. I expect for a lot of people who have heavily personally bought into 'trans' ideas and theory, it's very frightening and scary to have the feeling that the NHS (the grown ups) are finally saying 'no' and seeking proper evidence.

I imagine it's not easy for either people with dysphoria or their families to hear everything that Cass has brought to light, and I've plenty of sympathy for them.

The professional activists, not so much.

When it suits them they are screaming that 'trans kids' are killing themselves on waiting lists but then they won't support these kids having a mental health assessment.

It's quite the stance.

"No, not that evidence-based assessment with an evidence-based treatment pathway. We want the ideology-led intervention with no evidence base to support it and lifelong medical consequences with ramifications in every area of life"