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Article: 'My tradlife turned into a nightmare. The online ideology doesn't work in the real world'

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UtopiaPlanitia · 05/05/2024 13:56

This is a fascinating article examining how extreme ideology (on both Left and Right) is not compatible with promoting or valuing women’s needs and rights.

The woman involved was a Canadian Christian influencer with very conservative views who felt feminism had no part in women’s lives and who gave online fame (and notoriety) and conservative activism up to try and put those views she espoused into practice but it didn’t work out for her.

I can’t feel schadenfreude for this woman, who wanted to prove feminism was wrong, because of how awful her experience was in this marriage. I think she, like a lot of women I know, was sold the bill of goods that women have been sold by their male-dominated societies from the beginning of time: be good, be quiet, do what you’re told and it’ll all be wonderful. Unfortunately she had to find out the hard way that female submission is not a recipe for happiness.

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'…purist ideologies as such map at best uneasily onto the practical realities of life as a woman – and especially as a mother. And secondly, that the simplifying, polarising incentives baked into the contemporary internet are increasingly warping the ideologies of both Left and Right into such extreme forms, that any sincere effort to apply these in real life will almost inevitably be the stuff of nightmares.'

'What, then, is amiss? In her view, it’s not that conservatism as such is fundamentally mistaken, or that complementary sex roles are unworkable. But the online “tradlife” ideology has distilled a version of these roles that’s both rigid and wildly over-simplified, and thus woefully ill-equipped for real life – in ways that pose significant risks for women in such marriages.'

'It is surely true that conservative advocacy for complementary sex roles sometimes ignores questions about women’s physical vulnerability, and the scope this affords for domestic abuse. Conversely, today many self-identified liberal feminists have also forgotten that the earliest women’s movement was grounded in the sex-specific material vulnerabilities Southern experienced first-hand. The magazine pop-feminism that I internalised in Nineties Britain seemed less concerned with such gritty realities than more nebulous goods such as “empowerment”, representation, and smashing stereotypes.'

'It seems to me, I tell her, that condensing millennia of religious belief and real-world domestic praxis into viral memes has produced a Right-wing gender ideology every bit as over-simplified, dematerialised, and radically disconnected from the complexities of life as the disembodied Left-wing version. In turn, both Southern and other women I spoke to within her wider “underground railroad” of ex-trad women think that, perhaps like its Left-wing analogue, the extremely online nature of this gender ideology attracts a higher than usual proportion of individuals with existing psychological issues.'

https://unherd.com/2024/05/lauren-southern-the-tradlife-influencer-filled-with-regret/

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rivierliedje · 05/05/2024 14:19

There is a lot of this about in american christian conservative circles. From fundamentalist families whose children never go to school to evangelical purity cultures with purity rings and pledges to generation joshua' who are literally trained for political action. If you haven't seen it watcj Shiny happy people on amazon about it. Tia Levings who grew up in this and escaped as an adult with I think about 6 children writes incredibly well on the topic on instagram and substack. I think the term is patriarchal domininism for the overarching philosophy.

YankSplaining · 05/05/2024 16:31

rivierliedje · 05/05/2024 14:19

There is a lot of this about in american christian conservative circles. From fundamentalist families whose children never go to school to evangelical purity cultures with purity rings and pledges to generation joshua' who are literally trained for political action. If you haven't seen it watcj Shiny happy people on amazon about it. Tia Levings who grew up in this and escaped as an adult with I think about 6 children writes incredibly well on the topic on instagram and substack. I think the term is patriarchal domininism for the overarching philosophy.

If it makes you feel any better, purity rings aren’t really a thing anymore, at least not with more mainstream Evangelical Christians in the US. It’s considered a now-passé millennial trend, though the concept of waiting for marriage to have sex is still important to Evangelicals.

UtopiaPlanitia · 05/05/2024 18:06

rivierliedje · 05/05/2024 14:19

There is a lot of this about in american christian conservative circles. From fundamentalist families whose children never go to school to evangelical purity cultures with purity rings and pledges to generation joshua' who are literally trained for political action. If you haven't seen it watcj Shiny happy people on amazon about it. Tia Levings who grew up in this and escaped as an adult with I think about 6 children writes incredibly well on the topic on instagram and substack. I think the term is patriarchal domininism for the overarching philosophy.

Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll have a look for it on Amazon.

I can understand that possibly some women are searching for something in this tradwife culture but I’m not sure why so many of these women believe in submission to their husband, even when they’ve had a religious or conservative upbringing to influence them.

I was brought up in a religious and sexist/conservative culture and I just couldn’t stop myself from questioning rules, or standing up for myself, or pointing out unfairness that affected girls/women - according to the Nuns at my school I was wilful 😬😈I suppose that’s why I can’t understand a woman voluntarily entering into a marriage or life like that.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 05/05/2024 18:08

YankSplaining · 05/05/2024 16:31

If it makes you feel any better, purity rings aren’t really a thing anymore, at least not with more mainstream Evangelical Christians in the US. It’s considered a now-passé millennial trend, though the concept of waiting for marriage to have sex is still important to Evangelicals.

Thanks for that info - I always thought the purity rings etc was a very strange cultural conceptualisation of how to raise girls, so I’m glad it’s dying out.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 05/05/2024 18:12

I also found an interesting discussion on the article/phenomenon here:
https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/554535/lauren-southern-my-tradlife-turned-into-a-nightmare-unherd

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JoanOgden · 05/05/2024 18:21

I'm glad to see Mary Harrington writing about this, as sometimes I've felt her views veered perilously near tradwife beliefs.

UtopiaPlanitia · 05/05/2024 19:54

JoanOgden · 05/05/2024 18:21

I'm glad to see Mary Harrington writing about this, as sometimes I've felt her views veered perilously near tradwife beliefs.

I know what you mean; I often had the same feeling. I’m seeing this as hopefully a positive development.

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