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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Spot the oxymoron

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ThisAngelWearsPrada · 03/05/2024 18:54

I wonder if they realise what they’ve done by asking for pregnant people, but also their mums…

Tokenism, nothing more, nothing less.

Spot the oxymoron
OP posts:
joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:17

I want people to feel accepted as they are. I am a female person.

WolfFoxHare · 04/05/2024 19:19

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:17

I want people to feel accepted as they are. I am a female person.

If that’s true then you’re a quisling.

And you’re not accepting them ‘as they are’, you’re collaborating in a dangerous and harmful delusion.

StarlightLime · 04/05/2024 19:19

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who claims they care about loving people well.
It's a peculiar thing to say.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/05/2024 19:20

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:17

I want people to feel accepted as they are. I am a female person.

I think anyone with a 'gender identity' that doesn't match the body in which they are born (which is bollocks to me btw but I'll go along with this for the sake of this discussion) has to accept their body is 'female' and they will be viewed as a woman if they use it to birth a child. No language needs to be changed to suit a tiny minority.

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:20

StarlightLime · 04/05/2024 19:19

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who claims they care about loving people well.
It's a peculiar thing to say.

We should think and speak about it more! It takes intention

StarlightLime · 04/05/2024 19:21

I think some posts are AI generated, frankly. Just too weird.

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:24

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/05/2024 19:20

I think anyone with a 'gender identity' that doesn't match the body in which they are born (which is bollocks to me btw but I'll go along with this for the sake of this discussion) has to accept their body is 'female' and they will be viewed as a woman if they use it to birth a child. No language needs to be changed to suit a tiny minority.

I don't need them to accept that. I want them to tell me who they are, I don't want to dictate that. People end up pregnant for all kinds of reasons, not always because they love the thought of being 'womanly' or something.

Odense · 04/05/2024 19:25

WolfFoxHare · 04/05/2024 19:14

But not female people. Their feelings and concerns don’t matter to you because you’d rather virtue-signal to a tiny deluded minority so you can pretend you’re being #kind.

There’s never been a clearer sign that the human emotional support animals in this are just an irrelevance when it comes to their needs or feelings.

got to thank this movement for opening my eyes to it.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/05/2024 19:27

Well that's good for you. But still no good reason for omitting the word 'woman'. Only a woman - an adult human female - can be pregnant. The end.

MagpiePi · 04/05/2024 19:29

StarlightLime · 04/05/2024 19:21

I think some posts are AI generated, frankly. Just too weird.

That's what I thought.

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:29

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/05/2024 19:27

Well that's good for you. But still no good reason for omitting the word 'woman'. Only a woman - an adult human female - can be pregnant. The end.

'Women and people' would be much worse, don't you think? Women are people, we are very much included here.

WolfFoxHare · 04/05/2024 19:31

Which is why they should just have used ‘women’. Since only pregnant women can apply for this role.

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:33

WolfFoxHare · 04/05/2024 19:31

Which is why they should just have used ‘women’. Since only pregnant women can apply for this role.

That's not what the advertisement says.

DialSquare · 04/05/2024 19:35

StarlightLime · 04/05/2024 19:21

I think some posts are AI generated, frankly. Just too weird.

I was wondering if the posts were trying to confuse Aston University!

StarlightLime · 04/05/2024 19:51

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:33

That's not what the advertisement says.

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LittleMyTopKnot · 04/05/2024 19:58

I think it is problematic with the term mum? What if the pregnant person has two dads and no mum?

what if the afab birthing parent has transitioned and does not feel comfortable with being called mum?

What if the birthing parent of the pregnant person always was a transman?

Not very inclusive at all. I think I will complain about this.

WolfFoxHare · 04/05/2024 20:02

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:33

That's not what the advertisement says.

No shit, Sherlock. That’s the whole point of this thread. It’s what it should say, if they were in touch with reality and weren’t desperately trying to be woke.

Otterly2 · 04/05/2024 20:36

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 18:20

It's kindness. It's a welcome.

Seriously just no.

PickledMumion · 04/05/2024 20:44

@joannanewsomm I think I kind of understand where you're coming from. I have often felt frustrated by the limitations and expectations put upon me by society purely because I'm female. When I was younger, the idea of distancing myself even from the word "woman" would have been very appealing.

But it doesn't just stop with words. If the main drive of the TRA movement was "words aren't important, let people use whatever words they want to describe themselves", then I could possibly get on board with that.

In reality, within this movement, words are EVERYTHING, to the extent that nothing else has any weight or meaning. Simply saying the words "I am/am not a woman" apparently literally makes it true (and these words are to be considered more true than actual biological fact) which has significant and harmful ramifications for many women.

PaterPower · 04/05/2024 20:56

Leaving the irony aside for a moment, what attributes are they looking for in someone (and their Mum!) that would make them obviously ‘Australian’ or ‘German’ in a photograph? Or a non-speaking video?

I get the other three nationalities I suppose, (although is it passport / place of birth or specific facial / ethnic characteristics they’re after?), but I would look as Germanic or Australian as a good chunk of the population of either country.

Sorry, Captain Irrelevant and all that.

Mumoftwo1312 · 04/05/2024 22:59

PaterPower · 04/05/2024 20:56

Leaving the irony aside for a moment, what attributes are they looking for in someone (and their Mum!) that would make them obviously ‘Australian’ or ‘German’ in a photograph? Or a non-speaking video?

I get the other three nationalities I suppose, (although is it passport / place of birth or specific facial / ethnic characteristics they’re after?), but I would look as Germanic or Australian as a good chunk of the population of either country.

Sorry, Captain Irrelevant and all that.

Absolutely this, this is what makes the whole thing more a farce. It's clearly not particularly lawful or "inclusive" to advertise a job only for particular nationalities, is it?

The original point of wokeness was about racial discrimination.

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BlessedKali · 05/05/2024 00:15

It does seem AI generated.

Datun · 05/05/2024 04:05

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:24

I don't need them to accept that. I want them to tell me who they are, I don't want to dictate that. People end up pregnant for all kinds of reasons, not always because they love the thought of being 'womanly' or something.

A woman is an adult human female of or denoting the sex who bear eggs.

Pregnancy is a specific demonstration of this and is unique to that sex.

If you have a different definition of 'womanly', what is it?

AstonUniversityScrapedMyCorpus · 05/05/2024 09:17

This is hilarious.

Has anyone told them what giant transphobes they are yet?

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