Germany passes Self Id law allowing infants to transition.

[StealthSpinach]

I missed this 22/4/24 article from Reduxx.
How could anyone with a heart, conscience or basic understanding of humans and humanity ever think it is right to allow this to be done to infants, toddlers, children…
Where are the doctors, scientists, child development experts who should be fighting against this madness, this evil?

https://reduxx.info/germany-passes-gender-self-identification-law-allowing-infants-to-transition-imposes-massive-fine-for-deadnaming/

@ConstructionTime
"The German chapter of Let Women Speak is protesting against the minister and there is an open letter, asking her why women are demonized. Everyone can sign this letter."

The comments of the signees will be a bucket of cold water for Paus. So much anger. I've read comments from 80 year old ladies, asking her what she was thinking. Quite a number of men signing too, explicitly stating "in support/solidarity".

The German Green Party had a paedophile problem in the 1980s, shortly after they were founded. They managed to roll back an insertion of MAP-friendly policy into their programme and got rid of most of the perpetrators. In 2013 there was a request to finally investigate this period and to compensate victims of paedophiles in the party.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4dophilie-Debatte_(B%C3%BCndnis_90/Die_Gr%C3%BCnen) (in German, auto-translation usually works okay with wiki pages)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/investigation-launched-over-german-green-party-s-support-for-paedophiles-in-the-1980s-8622029.html

Five? My son has significant SEN and autism at five he still wasn't clear what a boy was or what a girl was he struggles with "gender norms" now but he knows penis=boy=ds (11)

Oh heavens. I thought that the Germans were, on balance, more sensible.

Sigh

"I thought that the Germans were, on balance, more sensible."

Ha. Me too. But then I studied STEM, so the whole queering the world thing passed me by. Plus a number of other "progressive" regressive philosophies/politics. I only becane aware about five or six years ago, and re Queer politics only recently. If it is not in the media...

Germans are on the whole very sensible. This has caught a lot of them by surprise. There is a lot of kickback, a lot of interest in what is happening in UK and Australia and Canada. There is a LOT of interest in the Cass Report

Well that's also going to make things easier for child traffickers.

Not necessarily. Germany has a registration system like France, so changing your name and gender is actually a bureaucratic act, that has preconditions (you must be registered before, which requires a passport/ID, which require a birth certificate...). So you cannot just go to the local Standesamt with a kid in tow and register her as the new boy in town.

I'm not sure Germany's image (and self-image) as a sensible country is entirely true. What is true is that German bureaucracy inhibits the country from going mad most of the time, but when Germany does go mad it can take a long time to correct course.

Also, it's difficult to overstate how obsessed German politicos are with American politics, and almost invariably that means blue state American politics.

In terms of the politics of the thing, the Greens and FDP wanted this; the FDP, in the face of collapsing support, are under internal pressure to leave the coalition; the SPD's leadership deferred to their LGBT caucus who told them it was really popular with the kids; and since the Bundestag vote shaped up mostly along left-right lines, that kept the centre-left on side.

It's been one of the issues behind the split in the Linkspartei, but more a symptom than a cause. The key factor there is that the Berlin chapter has an outsize influence in the federal party, and the Berlin chapter is dominated by a bunch of hipsters in Mitte and Neukölln who are indistinguishable from the Greens. (Think Camden and Islington's influence in UK Labour.)

Wwll there's news on this, and it's pretty big.

"The 128th German Medical Assembly 2024 just passed 2 resolutions: to restrict puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries for gender-dysphoric youth under 18 to controlled clinical trials; and to restrict the self-id laws to those over 18. This is a major development. "

https://twitter.com/segm_ebm/status/1789001105214759378

Halle bloody lujah

Well you would hope some doctors in Germany think experimental treatments based on political dogma are a bit dodgy.

Hoo-bloody-ray!

In my current job I work with the leaders of all the public sector organisations across our region. The quality of decision making is shocking. Absolutely leaders just nod approval to proposals by officers that are seen to be broadly in line with the direction the organizations want to go in. So if something is presented as broadly progressive, I can see how it is nodded through. In addition, I have noticed anything that makes leaders think they will be at the forefront or ‘the first’ to do something, is very appealing to them.

Leaders of these organizations have very little time. They are asked to make a lot of decisions, quickly, many of which are not within the core areas of their own specialism. So they rely heavily on officers/ advisors to tell them what to do. And decisions with no cost implications, like this, are particularly likely to be given low scrutiny.

However, I can’t help feeling that there has been enough attention on GRA now to make politicians realise there is a debate to be had here and that they need to do more than nod along. But then, I don’t know what debate there is in Germany.

Oh that’s great

Thanks for this

Harming children with ‘affirmation’ and puberty blockers needs to end up on a country league table

Who is the worst? The best?

Could help countries might actually feel bad

Except for queer.de (who are against it of course) , not a single newsoutlet in Germany has reported this so far (as per Google News).
😠

Ta-da! Die Welt has come through with lengthy coverage. No paywall either.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article251469616/Selbstbestimmungsgesetz-Aerztekammer-fordert-Aenderung-Experimentelle-Medizin-an-Kindern.html

Latest news. The governing coalition has now read the resolution, and is responding by sticking fingers firmly in ears and chanting "nya nya nya."

https://archive.ph/z19vT

I think this is very common. And it's disturbing, because good policy, be it laws or at some other level, needs to have long term, deep thinking about the implications over decades, how it will affect other areas, and also very careful crafting of the actual policies.

I don't really understand how we've lost awareness of this?

Related to that context - and to Eurovision context - it was noticeable that some media combined celebrating Nemo's win with the question "Is Switzerland going to accept a third gender?" Germany already has the "divers" option. Apparently it's his intent to make that happen in Switzerland, too.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/16/eurovision-winner-nemo-urges-switzerland-to-bring-in-third-gender

Nemo and Switzerland's Minister of Justice already pencilled in a meeting.

Several countries recognise people who identify as non-binary in official documents, including Germany, which in 2018 began allowing people to register as “diverse”,

Oh FFS. No, the German "diverse" option was not written for "non-binary" people, it's strictly intended for people with DSDs (although that too will fall victim to the general free-for-all once self-ID comes into force.)

On a side note, what a coincidence that sll this hoo-haw is happening around an individual whose official first name (not an alias!) is "Nobody."

That's just it; in retrospect it looks like it started as being about people who do not have a clear set of xy/xx chromosomes; a biological variation, but opening the door to Self-ID with all the legal implications and takeover of women's spaces we've been talking about.

Therefore I was wondering whether a similar process will gain additional traction in Switzerland, too.

I worry that it'll appear to the general public as "person dressing gender non-conforming" (perfectly fine) while covering up legal TRA/MRA takeover as they attempt in Germany now. I don't know whether the artist is in on the smokescreen or not.

If you can't rely on the Swiss to resist fashionable nonsense, who can you rely on?

The Liechtensteiners, I suppose.