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Rose Schmits.....

India willoughby is also making similar arguments about “dehumanising” with the added bonus homophobia of suggesting that the same rationale for separating by sex means that gay men should also be kept out of men’s wards

It's dehumanising to treat a patient as an individual and accomodate their preference not to be in the male ward?

I suppose though, IW had some confusion going on - married to a woman, then suddenly starting to fancy men post ‘transition’. Isn’t there a thing about closet cases being the most vocally homophobic among us?

Ummm what? How did he manage to get that gay men are not men?

I do find though, that men often are actually incapable, even with the evidence spread out in front of them, of being able to understand women’s instinctual feeling of violation and intrusion of men in our single sex spaces.

They think it’s about being ‘fancied’ - therefore we should be equally uncomfortable about lesbians as heterosexual men in our spaces, or equality comfortable sharing with gay men as we are heterosexual women. It’s so far off the mark and penis-brained.

Or they think it’s just about being physically overpowered, so slightly built men should be equally entitled to enter women’s spaces to be safe from big men, as women.

They don’t understand that it is the fact that men are not women, which is the problem. Men don’t have the same physical needs as women whilst sharing a host of physical needs with other men that women don’t have.

They only can relate, as men, to the fear of being fancied and hit on by another bloke and the fear of being beaten up by another bloke. That is the beginning and end of their empathy with women.

I didn’t realise he also made the same point but with lesbians

Ah yes, the 'lesbians are like straight blokes’ argument.

Poor Rose & India. Clueless dipshits making themselves laughing stocks in public. Is public humiliation part of the condition? strikes me that it might be.

I think you give waaay too much credit.

The men in question just don’t give a damn.

Any man I know wouldn’t dream of barging in anywhere that is for women only.

The men who do are bad ones from the get go. They are dressing it up (see what I did?).

we should be equally uncomfortable about lesbians as heterosexual men in our spaces

It seriously boils my piss every time anyone - IW is a particular offender in this regard - starts on about "predatory lesbians" and why they are a greater danger to women than great larping AGPs are.

I daresay that out there in the big wide world, the odd "predatory lesbian" exists somewhere. However, in my experience:

1. women, whatever their sexual orientation, in a toilet/ changing room/ whatever just get on with peeing/ getting changed etc - there might be a brief conversation about lack of toilet roll, but that tends to be it. We don't even take selfies squealing delightedly because we've got in there. Nor do we try to photograph other women using the facilities by sliding our phones under the gap in the cubicle walls, ffs!

2. if a woman makes advances towards you, and you politely tell her you aren't interested, then she accepts that

3. if she didn't, I'm pretty sure that if push came to shove we'd be reasonably physically matched, and I could give as much as I got in a fight for my "honour"

4. whatever the circumstances, she couldn't rape me

All of these lesbians trying to catch an illicit flash of another woman's gusset are in your imagination, India. It just doesn't happen, because women are not as sex-obsessed as men seem to be. Apart from anything else, women are fussier than men about who they want to have sex with (this applies to lesbians, too, India - it's not like many men, for whom any convenient orifice, be it in another human being, an animal, or even a vacuum cleaner, is often sufficient).

I am not frightened of women, no matter how "butch" they may be. I am very frightened of the sort of men who demand entry to women's facilities.

I think India has convinced Indiaself that India is a great prize (sexually) and that both women and men of all orientations fancy whatever it is that India has to offer. This puts India at great risk in the gents, but India would be able to fend off your average lesbian and thus protect India's virtue.

Dream on, India.

A man making the assumption that women are the same as men when it comes to sexual gratification.

Maybe when lesbians are responsible for sexually assaulting women at the same rate men are then it may be a valid comparison.

I do feel slightly sorry for these people. They’ve been lied to by medics, charities, goverment bodies, their families and supporters etc etc and told they have literally changed sex.

The problem is they are so naive and unquestioning that they believed them.

God the comments under that post 🤮 They really do live in make believe land.

Unless they're a child, no I don't feel sorry for them. They're delusional and they know they're delusional. No rational adult could ever truly believe that a piece of paper and a few surgical tweaks, whatever they are, mean they've changed sex. You can lop off a man's genitals and he remains a man.

If not, how can we possible call those servicemen who have suffered these kinds of injuries from landmines and the like "men"? Do we tell these guys that they're actually girls now? Do we ignore their pain and simply shrug and tell them to learn to like pink? No we bloody well don't, because we're not monsters.

I don't feel remotely sorry for these delusional nitwits. I feel repulsed. I feel insulted. I feel offended. I feel irritated. I feel angry. But sorry? Not for a goddamned second.

You can lop off a man's genitals and he remains a man.

If not, how can we possible call those servicemen who have suffered these kinds of injuries from landmines and the like "men"? Do we tell these guys that they're actually girls now? Do we ignore their pain and simply shrug and tell them to learn to like pink? No we bloody well don't, because we're not monsters.

This.

Many men have had testicles amputated for medical reasons - injury, cancer, disease etc - they are no less men for that and no-one with any empathy would ever suggest that they are.

A woman who has had a mastectomy or hysterectomy is still a woman.

Why do the "reasons" for such surgical interventions make any difference?

My friend lost his legs after a bomb destroyed the army land rover he was in.

Does that make him a snake?

The idea that trans women remain "male sex" no matter what is not just transphobic but also simply incorrect.

The idea that sex is unchangeable is actually the anti science anti intellectual stance btw.

Incorrect, is it? Anti-science, is it? So when the doctors assess your test results against parameters for female patients and as a result give you the wrong treatment, you will be happy to be over- or under-medicated as a result. Because assessing your blood tests and other medical markers by the parameters for male patients would be transphobic.

Your healthcare, safety, and ability to exist depend upon HCPs recognising that you remain male.

Humans can’t change sex. It’s as simple as that. You can make the body ‘look’ like your desired shape as much as medical science can achieve but it’s not changing anything fundamentally. You still know the truth and that’s not healthy from a MH point of view.

Sorry but "anti-science, anti-intellectual" made me laugh.

Also, I've never stayed the night in a hospital but I'm pretty sure your own room is the desired result!!

Can we now report Rose to Kemi Badenough?