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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another day, another step in the right direction

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viques · 30/04/2024 02:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68923861

Yes! Now, about those bloody rainbow lanyards and pronouns on badges…….

Man pushing gender neutral toilet door - stock photo

NHS England charter to stress biological sex when placing patients in wards

Transgender women should not be put on single-sex female NHS wards, the government is proposing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68923861

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CaveMum · 30/04/2024 06:30

Just saw this article and came to see if there was a thread about it.

Victoria Atkins is really hitting her stride now.

mids2019 · 30/04/2024 06:46

Brilliant. There needs to be training for nurses how to deal with trans women who refuse the allocation though.

There needs to be protectionist staff that were to say to a trans woman you are a man or have make genitalia as a reason for the bed allocation.

I suppose another worry is trans patients refusing medication until moved and making sure everything is ethically and legally water tight.

mids2019 · 30/04/2024 06:46

Protection for!

StealthSpinach · 30/04/2024 07:06

Would that be a TW assigned to a single room on a female ward, or on a male ward (correct for biological sex)?

UtterlyOtterly · 30/04/2024 07:08

I've just heard that on the radio. Very good news to start the day.

I sincerely hope the relevant staff will have all the training and support they need.

MillOnTheGoss · 30/04/2024 07:10

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/04/2024 07:14

Great news. Now if only the police could start recording someone's crimes by their sex and not how they identify that would be great too.

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2024 07:20

I hate to say this but I agree with wes streeting when he says that "rights on paper are worthless unless they are delivered in practice", especially when you see the response from the bma and nurses group (screenshot below).
I do wonder if the bma realises the ironies of their statements 🤔

Historic NHS decision to 'declare sex a biological fact' is praised https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13364503/Gender-critical-feminists-praise-historic-NHS-decision-declare-sex-biological-fact-banning-trans-women-female-wards-allowing-female-patients-ask-sex-doctors.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Edited to remove auto correct typo

Another day, another step in the right direction
AlwaysCrystal · 30/04/2024 08:01

I think you're missing the point there. 40 odd thousand incidents. I guarantee that most of these were not trans women. Chances are a lot of the trans women wouldn't even have been categorised by sex.

StealthSpinach · 30/04/2024 09:55

Saying that trans-identifying people “could” be placed in a single room if another patient requests a single sex ward is not progress.

It puts the onus on a patient, at a time of illness/stress/distress, to be brave enough to ask the (often GI captured) staff to rearrange the ward and move a TW to a single room.

So, according to the minister, that would involve TW being placed on female wards, UNTIL someone asks for the TW to be moved.

That isn’t a solution, and places the female patients and the TW in a very distressing situation. Far better to separate by biological/natal sex from initial contact, to prevent the necessity for a female patient to have to request the change.

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