Really disappointed with Peter Boghossian

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https://www.youtube.com/live/yJkmeRcTMbk?si=PcsetnbbiR4xy_za

A friend of mine, many years ago, entered a shop with four males in it. The grabbed her and started passing her between them and pulling at her clothes. They only stopped when her friend opened the shop door to see why she was taking so long.

I don't know what the likes of Boghossian thinks she could have done about that.

These porn and gaming addled blokeys think that being a woman is like being the star of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

Honest to god I feel like punching them right in the face but I know I'd get floored if they did it back to me and the shame would hurt them more than any punch I could give. I worked that out around age 14.

When he interviewed destiny, he agreed with him that language always goes to extremes - 'rape rather than bad sex'.

But this is something men have manipulated. Everything short of rape is either ridiculed - why are you bothered who is in the stall next to you, or taken as lies - why would men who hate their penis want you to see it? Its the tra who demands stats on tra raping women in female spaces, and close down discussions around how women feel about their presence.

The most common experieces women have with men - feeling of uncomfort, intimation, flashing, voyeurism, are not reduced by women having martial arts training. Women who may beat men up in womens spaces to deter this will be the criminals.

I dont know if its PB not believing women, its more that he cannot envisage womens experiences. His martial art training will protect him when walking down a dark alley, it's not needed when he tries clothes on in a shop changing room. Few women would walk down that alley in the first place.

Most martial arts are of zero use in a real world fight and self defence classes teach to first avoid or run from a confrontation, so we should really all be signing up for sprint training.

I wonder how he would respond if every 18 year old woman was walking around with an AR15 strapped over their shoulder? I mean, he would be.cool with that, right? Actually I kind of wish this would happen, I imagine it would shut down men asking What were they wearing? The answer - a fucking gun.

It is similar to the sports debate isn't it? An average women wouldn't stand a chance defending herself against even a weak man. My tall thin DS could pick me up and throw me around (in jest) from age 14, which he used to delight in - look I can pick mum up! I'm a fit, strong, overweight 5ft woman. But male advantage even in teens means I couldn't stop it. Has PB he not listened or understood ANY of the arguments at all?

If my interpretation is correct, I'm thinking his empathy block comes from confirmation bias.
His bias will make him hear "blah blah.. violence against women.. blah blah". See? All these responses to my questions just show how much these women are stuck in their oppressed narrative"
He remains fixated on his correct view, and thinks (hopes) his clever, reasonable questioning technique will lead the women out of their entrenched position.

Remaining completely blind to his own.

Perhaps pretending to (even aiming to?) want to explore any blindspots he may have ("Help me understand this"), but unable to move past a deep fixation.

Just because someone is aware of, and knowledgeable about, confirmation bias doesn't mean they aren't subject to it themselves.

I think Julie was close to something by asking him a question in return (" What have you done to address male violence?"),
and I think that this would be the way to go with PB.

At the moment, to me, it seems in both interviews, that he held the power of the inquisitor position. Particularly at the end of the Kara interview as JB pointed out.

I would like to see a discussion where the tables are turned, and one of these, or another formidable feminist interview him- using his own approach perhaps.

I don't know- maybe he has done this somewhere?

Again, I am speculating and could be wrong about where he is coming from.

Just my responses and thoughts when watching.

He's a big bloke, too, isn't he? He'll not be too worried about being able to defend himself.

Are disabled women also expected to defend themselves by learning martial arts, or are they considered to be safe if they can justify using the disabled loos?

I've just listened to his podcast with Julie Bindel. I searched to see if there was a thread specifically about that.

Noting the difference in his approach when speaking with Helen Joyce compared with Carla Dansky I thought he sounded very tentative with Bindel at the beginning of the discussion and it felt really stilted.

When they got on to women defending themselves I listened with frustration as she explained how a majority of women already move about their life daily to avoid threat from men and the ways in which they do this and he stands no chance of getting it. To me, he was more intent on bringing her around to his line of reasoning than in trying to understand where she (women) are coming from.

Helen Joyce made exactly this point about her 13 year old son and he didn't disagree with it. I'm surprised that following this discussion he's clinging to his stance on pepper spray, martial arts and guns.

When Helen Joyce was on his podcast she explained the dangers of allowing young people to undergo medical transition when their brains haven’t fully matured either as a result of puberty blockade or as a result of the brain largely not being fully developed until the mid-twenties. Boghossian acknowledged the validity of this information while speaking to her but in following podcasts went straight back to expressing his opinion that once someone turns 18 they should be allowed to do whatever they want to their body because 18 is the legal age society has set to recognise adulthood.

It was very frustrating to watch, as is his current idée fixe about women not really feeling in danger from male violence because they don’t bother to learn martial arts or carry weapons to defend themselves.

If this is what PB actually thinks he’s a proper tool. What an utter lack of thinking skills, which is doubly disappointing as he has set himself up as a modern day Sokrates.

As if knowing some self defence move is going to save anyone. I know plenty of girls and women who know some martial arts, but it did fuck all when they were attacked. One girl was killed in a very brutal way.

I hope he reads this thread and has a good long think on what he is saying and what he wants to say ;

No, Pete. No fucking amount of Kung fu skills would let my 4’11 self beat any guy that is my size or bigger. And yes, I know how to shoot a Bow and arrow, and how to wield an axe.

Along with that, we have to move through the world as if we trust men, whilst also keeping our guard up.

Do we pepper spray the guy who squeezed past a little too closely in staff kitchen, knowing that that sirt of subtle did they or didn't they creepy infringement is a very hard one to call out and have taken seriously within an organisation.

This has got to be because of the clicks, surely?

Is he really saying that learning these skills wouls make the risk go away? Or more that it would reduce risk, so wondering why more don't do it?

If the latter, maybe his real point is that it's not all about risk - that's not the only, or sometimes main, reason for women only spaces. I tend to agree if so. I think it's a mistake to only talk about the risk element.

Honestly, like AlisonDonut, I’m almost hoping he spouts stuff like this for clicks.

Although, as an internet 'public intellectual' there will be people (men) who take him at his word when he says male violence can’t be as big a problem as feminists say it is or else women would tool up 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🙄

I think he'd be clearer if thats what he's getting at. He's questioning why women dont do more to protect themselves if attacked.

I think hes just confused why women dont do more to physical protect themselves if attacked anywhere, not just in women only spaces.