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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Labour leader distancing himself from GRA now

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blimeyslimey · 26/04/2024 17:43

Just on PM on radio 4.

Scottish Labour leader now pretending that despite enthusiastically supporting and voting for GRA in Scotland, he was never really a fan as, despite voting for it, apparently the SNP had told him that single sex spaces would provided. So he voted despite the fact that the actually Act he was voting for, did not say it was going to do that at all.

The lying sneakly bastardom of all these people now desperately trying to pretend that 'other people made us and lied to us' is incredibly grating.

But on the good side, you can tell all this gender ideology is now utterly toxic politically as everyone who was hoorahing it on, is now desperately trying to distance themselves and shift blame onto others for their own poor choices and opinions.

And that's quite gratifying to behold 😁

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Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2024 21:06

Terref · 26/04/2024 20:44

Hey! Also the three Labour women who fought hard for the amendment 'sex not gender' in teh Forensic examiners Bill - Johann Lamont, plus I'm sorry, memory fails for the other two.

I suppose that should read current Labour MSP's as, although Johann Lamont was a shining light during the six words amendment, she's no longer an MSP. I'm not sure who the other two are but happy to amend to add them to the praise.

Dineasair · 26/04/2024 21:28

Igmum · 26/04/2024 18:51

It's quite tough to offer a Golden Bridge when every fibre of your being wants to shout 'YOU LYING GIT!'

But yes, pleased to see those ferrets reversing.

That big boy has been pretty busy on this issue @Dineasair. I think he got to Dawn Butler, Ruth Hunt and a lot of others as well

I think so, but he’s not as useful as they think he is, cause they won’t be able to hide behind him for long as he’s made of glass, we can see right through him 🤣

Dineasair · 26/04/2024 21:29

Floisme · 26/04/2024 18:04

I agree it's gratifying, but I'm also the spoilsport who remembers that it's just over two months since Scottish Labour Conference voted down a motion on women's rights to single sex spaces (with special thanks to our trade union siblings):

[[https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/scottish-labour-conference-rejects-motion-on-womens-rights-trade-unions-vote-against-womens-rights-to-single-sex-spaces-and-single-sex-intimate-care/

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Dineasair · 26/04/2024 21:36

lechiffre55 · 26/04/2024 20:37

Its like all the cool kids found this glowy green liquid and they found out if they dipped their hands in it and danced in the dark it would leave all these glowy green traces that looked soo cool. Anyone who didn't have glowy green hands wasn't one of the in crowd. So passe and uncool.
And now that someone analysed the glowy green liquid, and we now know it glows because it's radioactive, and it's very toxic, everyone is like "Who could have been so foolish, not me!" "It glows in the dark of course it's bloody radioactive we knew that all along duh!"
There's a saying I really love - Hindsight is the foresight of gobshites. None of these idiots ever thought this through, and they mocked and cancelled those who did think it through. They were fully on board the lemming train, and it's just run out of rails.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Love this post, gobshites describes them perfectly.

JanesLittleGirl · 26/04/2024 22:03

So, apparently there was no support for the GRR bill in the Scottish Parliament apart from the 7 SGs. Right.

Skyellaskerry · 26/04/2024 22:13

JanesLittleGirl · 26/04/2024 22:03

So, apparently there was no support for the GRR bill in the Scottish Parliament apart from the 7 SGs. Right.

Extreme Gaslighting

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2024 22:23

He does realise that women sat at home and at work and in the public gallery in Holyrood watching the debates, and the arguing over and shouting down of amendments, as it weaved its way through the various stages, and we saw who said what and who voted which way? Doesn't he?

WickedSerious · 26/04/2024 23:02

Terref · 26/04/2024 21:03

Oh, we have aĺllllll the emails.

Ain't technology grand?

Terref · 27/04/2024 07:42

I tried to find info on the other Labour MSPs who spoke on the six words amendment but it must be buried somewhere in the annals of the parliament.

Here's Johann Lamont, who is the only one named in news reports.

Johann Lamont MSP #sixwords #sexnotgender Scottish Parliament Debate 10th December 2020

Johann Lamont's passionate response in the debate on Forensic Medical Services Victims of Sexual Offences Scotland Bill. Lamont had tabled a six-word amendme...

https://youtu.be/OZjOYEc2JUg?si=IBgNxwIoOhcy0fBt

PriOn1 · 27/04/2024 08:17

I seem to remember a time in my youth, though perhaps I imagined it, when politicians were much more truthful. If they were found doing wrong, they’d apologize swiftly and, if it was bad enough, resign from government. A politician who had done this might be brought back into the fold later.

More recently, politicians who are caught out don’t immediately hold their hands up. They deny and deny and deny until the proof is so incontrovertible and the stench so awful that they are either sacked from government or resign under a huge cloud.

Government spin is all about appearance, the substance has become secondary.

So it’s inevitable that this is how this contentious issue is going to play out. Instead of holding up their hands and admitting they got it wrong, there are going to be weasel words, lies, deception and finger pointing about what they and others said.

I think this debacle is part and parcel of a wider political issue, where politicians no longer feel they represent their constituents, rather they sign up to a party and blindly follow without conscience. How many of us have written to them over and over, and been soundly chastised for doing so?

That said, I think all our letters did sway the GRA self-ID vote. So many of us wrote that they couldn’t ignore us or pretend we didn’t exist, and of course many have receipts from other correspondence, even where there was no apparent impact, so writing is not pointless, even though sometimes it feels like it.

I know I want much, much more. I want the conversion therapy laws to be thrown out and the equality and especially the hate laws rebalanced. But simply resisting self-ID is looking more and more like a huge achievement. If that holds, we are working from a much better situation than if our first step is that we had to reverse that.

I will take this as a win in the UK. This is beginning to feel like a genuine shift, even though other countries are blundering on (Sweden, Germany) or doubling down (US). The more politicians who openly turn, however lacking in grace, the lower the chance of an easy return to self-ID under a different government

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 27/04/2024 09:24

"Hindsight is the foresight of gobshites"

Love this @lechiffre55

Skyellaskerry · 27/04/2024 09:50

Also I don’t think it’s enough for AS and the others simply to say things like they would not vote for it now. Toooo easy. Keep on asking Why why why and what has changed in merely a year when they were so in favour they didn’t even allow a free vote. I would love to hear Emma Barnett interview him as a starter.

As a lifelong leftie it’s been a nightmare to my soul how Labour has been. That I found myself agreeing with Tory politicians whose other policies I’m at the opposite end of. That they have been sucked in makes me doubt all their ability for critical, independent, thinking.

ScottIsh Labour cannot just weasel out of this and gaslight everyone who saw, heard, objected at the time. They should fucking well own it now. At least have some respect for the public, not imagining we will swallow their reverse ferreting now.

Otter2 · 27/04/2024 10:02

Sad thing is - I think that a lot of people WILL swallow their bullshit lies and gaslighting. They have 100% proven themselves to be at best credulous fools and at worst hateful MRAs.
My vote will not be going to Labour - possibly ever again.

Floisme · 27/04/2024 10:16

I don't think they necessarily swallow it, I think it's more about being so desperate for a change of government that they don't want to hear a word against their chosen party and get angry with anyone who they fear will rock the boat. You see it on this board all the time.

Dineasair · 27/04/2024 12:44

Skyellaskerry · 27/04/2024 09:50

Also I don’t think it’s enough for AS and the others simply to say things like they would not vote for it now. Toooo easy. Keep on asking Why why why and what has changed in merely a year when they were so in favour they didn’t even allow a free vote. I would love to hear Emma Barnett interview him as a starter.

As a lifelong leftie it’s been a nightmare to my soul how Labour has been. That I found myself agreeing with Tory politicians whose other policies I’m at the opposite end of. That they have been sucked in makes me doubt all their ability for critical, independent, thinking.

ScottIsh Labour cannot just weasel out of this and gaslight everyone who saw, heard, objected at the time. They should fucking well own it now. At least have some respect for the public, not imagining we will swallow their reverse ferreting now.

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Womanofcustard · 27/04/2024 13:39

If they couldn't grasp the ramifications of this Bill then they are showing they are unfit for the office they hold.

Exactly this.

Otter2 · 27/04/2024 15:25

Floisme · 27/04/2024 10:16

I don't think they necessarily swallow it, I think it's more about being so desperate for a change of government that they don't want to hear a word against their chosen party and get angry with anyone who they fear will rock the boat. You see it on this board all the time.

Yes you are right.

MissBedelia · 27/04/2024 15:28

My local Labour candidate told me that she apologised for the party’s stance on the GRA and was very clear that she would not support any such moves. I was impressed

RoyalCorgi · 27/04/2024 15:35

What's been clear all along is that there is a very large group of politicians who will just go along with the crowd or whatever is currently fashionable or easy. So I take this reverse-ferreting and rewriting of history as an encouraging sign that what is regarded as fashionable has changed.

It does make me wonder what will happen to all those organisations that are digging their heels in, like the Scottish Greens and Mermaids.

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2024 17:23

There's a few former MSP's (Johann Lamont, Jeanne Freeman, Elaine Smith and Jenny Mara) who seem to have been decent on this but depressingly little in the current crop of Scottish Labour MSP's.

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