Mermaids' response to the Cass review

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I had a look to see if this had been posted and couldn't see anything.

Jfc

We have significant concerns about mandatory participation in research as a condition of access to treatment, and the way in which this area of gender care has been politicised far more than any other.

They don't get it do they.

And they mention that

"We will continue to advocate for supportive schoolss*, where young people are able to express themselves authentically."

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/mermaids-response-to-the-cass-review-in-depth/

They can’t help themselves. Sooner they are closed down, the better. They don’t ‘help’ anyone but themselves.

I hope staff will not be allowed to work with kids/vulnerable adults.

We have significant concerns about mandatory participation in research as a condition of access to treatment, and the way in which this area of gender care has been politicised far more than any other.

We want doctors to be able to continue with prescribing unproven experimental treatments without any obligation to be part of a process that could theoretically prove thar treatment might be safe and effective (or might instead prove that the risks and harms outweigh the benefits) because we would rather people didn't have that information and continued to push for these treatments on the basis of faith rather than having scientific support.

They're basically advocating for WPATH led private healthcare working outside the NICE guidelines.

Which the health secretary said would be illegal.

I suspect part of the reason they don't want research going forward is because they don't want researchers looking back. They probably also know suspect what the research will uncover. Then the grift jig will be up.

This.

Some adults need prosecution for the harm they have done to vulnerable children.

Any update from the Charity Commission about their investigation following the Mermaids paedophile / safeguarding scandals ?

I've finally got around to reading Time to Think. I believe certain people invested in this scandal should be serving a prison sentence.

We have significant concerns about mandatory participation in research as a condition of access to treatment.

They seem to be unaware that this is already commonplace. If a doctor wishes to try a treatment which is still in Phase III clinical trials, the only way to do it is to enrol their patient in the trial. This is usually seen as a potential boon to desperate patients, not an insufferable imposition!

They seem to lack understanding about clinical trials. They aren't an optional treatment pathway, they are research trials.

It isn't a case of being offered a treatment only if you agree to participating in a trial. This would be highly unethical and coercive.

Patients will be offered treatment that is in line with treatment pathways the NHS offers. Those who meet the criteria for being invited to join a trial will be invited to participate. Participation in a trial may or may not involve having to decline the treatment the NHS is offering outside of the research trial. This will depend on the research design and the variable they are controlling for

As a society it's depressing that organisations supposedly acting on behalf of groups of vulnerable people, take up positions without understanding the issues (or understanding them and then seeking to obfuscate in the hope that this will support the cause).

Whether its ignorance or obfuscation, TRAs were never going to achieve what they wanted through this approach. One the 'no debate' era ended, they should have recognised they would have to engage in reasoned discussion.

I think social media's contribution is that it provides an alternative reality that can mislead individuals and organisations into thinking they can control narratives by saying what they want and blocked/deleting/ignoring challenge. In the real world, accountability will always rear its head at some point. It always does, what differs is how scandalous things become before being held to account

So even after Cass they want to carry on experimenting on dc?

That alone should be enough to have their charity status withdrawn.

Yes.

The brass neck gall is absolutely astonishing.

"A big boy did it and ran away"?

What happened to 'we aren't medical experts and don't advocate for medicalisation'?

They really are ignorant. They shouldn't be allowed near children.

Agree

I'm going to come across as really dim here, but what I don't understand is WHY?

Why are Mermaids, Stonewall, TRAs all so determined to medicalise children? To lie to them that they can change sex. To send them down a path which is likely to ruin their bodies forever. What's in it for them?

Their research definitely goes to a different school.

It's hilarious that one of their main criticisms is that it's just been written in a way that's easy to understand 😆🤣😂

Brainworm · Today 09:59

They seem to lack understanding about clinical trials. They aren't an optional treatment pathway, they are research trials.

Thank you for the explanation.

They’ve set off down the wrong path and they refuse to admit it, so they’re just going to plough on. If they admit they’ve acted wrongly in the past, that might (might!) cause them emotional distress; it might draw the ire of children, parents and the general public upon them; and they might be sued.

So it’s heads down, carry on, stick their fingers in their ears and shout “Transphobia!” if anyone tries to make a comment.

There's enormous amounts of money tied to this.

If Mermaids agree with the report, or any of it, then Suzie Green has to admit to what she did to her child. So she will never do that.

I think its two things.

The need for children to back up the narrative of the adults who knew at 4, but didn't come out till 40.

The idea the later someone transitions, the harder it is to pass, creates a demand for early intervention to give the child a chance of looking like the opposite sex in adulthood.

I heard things about girls needing fewer surgical intervention if they take PB and cross sex hormones. But i dont know how true that it.

Mermaids is/was a parenting charity, lots of the demands comes from family.