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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
ILikeDungs · 23/04/2024 23:11

Yes, some excellent and informed comments

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 23/04/2024 23:14

Brilliant comments.

This is very well put:

You are on the never ending road where you will be at war with your normal cells every single day of your living life.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/04/2024 23:59

Sensible comments.

This bit of the article, though:

"The Cass Review recommended that gender-affirming services operate to the same standards as other services seeing children and young people with complex presentations and additional risk factors."

That an official report had to actually write that down shows how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.

And then just when I pick my jaw up off the floor and get it reassembled, I remember that people are objecting to this.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 24/04/2024 00:34

It’s interesting that most felt free to give their full names. I doubt many UK doctors would feel able to do so, even now, because the entire medical establishment has been Stonewalled.

Codlingmoths · 24/04/2024 00:38

A double take when I saw that was Australia. Excellent comments, I hope racgps take note.

Karensalright · 24/04/2024 00:55

Well the ripple effect is on its way. I read the whole report, and one of my thoughts was the research scoping exercise was international, and therefore would have an international impact.

Forgive the poor prose, dissipates my rage.

She gardens, She posts, She speaks in open air.

She wins legal challenges at a personal cost.

She is famous, She is unknown.

She writes, she tweets

Samson like, She has stood against,

the massive convergence,

of powerful influencers.

who spawned lesser and even more insidious players.

Who recruited:

the politically foolish,

the ill informed,

the profiteers,

the fearful sheep,

emotionally and psychologically vulnerable.

And last but not least children.

And that’s when,

Cass an eminent She came along,

Wise by age owning no fear

Took apart the cruelty of the social engineer.

The Hags and the witches, the dinosaurs

The Terfy bitches.

Have got all “thems”by the ankle,

They can squirm and squeal and wriggle

She is not gonna let them go

This pig is for the slaughter.

Maybe a bit more torture

Before the feast,

On TERF island.

Coldmorning · 24/04/2024 01:51

That is encouraging.

I’m in Australia but can’t speak up professionally.

Here in WA (Labour) the law has just changed to allow official gender change on a letter from a GP/psychologist and the Liberals have announced they’re banning puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for under 16s. Looks like I’ll be voting liberal for the first time.

Onionbelt · 24/04/2024 04:00

Coldmorning · 24/04/2024 01:51

That is encouraging.

I’m in Australia but can’t speak up professionally.

Here in WA (Labour) the law has just changed to allow official gender change on a letter from a GP/psychologist and the Liberals have announced they’re banning puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for under 16s. Looks like I’ll be voting liberal for the first time.

Same, have to vote against action on climate change to protect women and children.
I am writing to all sitting Greens at the moment. Labor is next.

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Codlingmoths · 24/04/2024 04:15

Onionbelt · 24/04/2024 04:00

Same, have to vote against action on climate change to protect women and children.
I am writing to all sitting Greens at the moment. Labor is next.

Don’t worry, you aren’t really compromising principles. It’s not like the greens are prioritising climate change over petty infighting and deeply flawed analysis.

Danfromdownunder · 24/04/2024 04:21

Aussie here whose heart is warmed by these medical professionals actually speaking up. The winds of change are blowing - less than a year ago they would have been hunted down and doxxed to all hell for speaking the truth.

Cailin66 · 24/04/2024 06:12

Those in Australia, is there no counter to the untruths Dr. Michelle Dutton speaks about Cass?

Has she a financial interest in trans children?

Also the article mentions 45,000 trans children. If the Australian Affirmation Model applies there are going to be thousands of medically destroyed children.

CosplayingAGrownUp · 24/04/2024 07:05

Thank you to those brave Aussie doctors speaking up using their real names. It's the first stage of a bandwagon that allows others to jump on.

Topofthemountain · 24/04/2024 08:04

The part about there being no data was due to research not being funded was interesting. No acknowledgement at all of absolute shoddy record keeping and follow-up and research being actively banned.

Stonewall is not short of a penny or two if it was that money was the issue.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 24/04/2024 08:43

Topofthemountain · 24/04/2024 08:04

The part about there being no data was due to research not being funded was interesting. No acknowledgement at all of absolute shoddy record keeping and follow-up and research being actively banned.

Stonewall is not short of a penny or two if it was that money was the issue.

In fairness to Stonewall (not a phrase that gets a lot of use from me), the failure to monitor outcomes or do proper research is 100% the fault of the clinicians involved, those responsible for governance in their organisations, and policy-makers in NHS England/DHSC - and their equivalents in other countries.

Medical research is incredibly complex and expensive. Even specialist medical charities do not usually carry it out themselves, but instead support clinicians doing research within hospitals/universities. Though, in theory, Stonewall could have done the latter, in practice it couldn't, because there wasn't any happening.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 24/04/2024 09:09

Stonewall could have used their considerable clout to campaign for research. They could have made it one of the judging criteria for their ranking schemes (for relevant organisations). They were not helpless bystanders.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 24/04/2024 10:14

NoBinturongsHereMate · 24/04/2024 09:09

Stonewall could have used their considerable clout to campaign for research. They could have made it one of the judging criteria for their ranking schemes (for relevant organisations). They were not helpless bystanders.

True. I'm not looking to let Stonewall off the hook; I just don't want any of the clinicians who signed the actual prescriptions to be able to hide behind Stonewall or anyone else.

SinnerBoy · 24/04/2024 12:37

NoBinturongsHereMate · Today 09:09

Stonewall could have used their considerable clout to campaign for research. They could have made it one of the judging criteria for their ranking schemes (for relevant organisations). They were not helpless bystanders.

Well no, they, along with other organisations have pushed the drug regimes, with emotive propaganda about suicide. They're as guilty as the doctors who approved the so-called treatments.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 24/04/2024 16:40

SinnerBoy · 24/04/2024 12:37

NoBinturongsHereMate · Today 09:09

Stonewall could have used their considerable clout to campaign for research. They could have made it one of the judging criteria for their ranking schemes (for relevant organisations). They were not helpless bystanders.

Well no, they, along with other organisations have pushed the drug regimes, with emotive propaganda about suicide. They're as guilty as the doctors who approved the so-called treatments.

As a doctor, I disagree. I don't care how much external pressure there is, if you do not prescribe in the best interests of the patient, you should not be on the GMC register. Doctors come under pressure to prescribe unsuitable treatments all the time. No one was forcing these doctors to prescribe, and they all had a choice about whether to work at the Tavi. They could have chosen to leave, as many of the whistle-blowers did. There is a huge shortage of doctors - no one was going be unemployed if they left.

Other people and organisations have contributed to this whole mess, but the blame for prescribing PBs rests with the prescribers.

We need to be careful with this narrative that Stonewall & co were equally to blame, because it's going to let the prescribers off the hook, if/when we have a public inquiry, GMC hearings, and litigation. Let's not make excuses for the doctors involved. No one forced them to prescribe. They chose to do so.

PermanentTemporary · 24/04/2024 16:58

Oh my God. Did they read that back?

Dr Cass being a 'high profile paediatrician' sounds as if they're trying to make her sound like an influencer or something. Try 'eminent'.

And data on services in Australia is loads better than in the UK... but they don't know how many young people are questioning their identity.

If they have amazing evidence on the efficacy of any treatment, or on the alleged terrible effect of not putting CYP on a medical pathway, then frigging publish it, where it can be put into a review like this. Stop making windy statements about how doing nothing means X Y and Z when the evidence is NOT THERE. And pleeeeease stop asking for more funding outside a proper research trial, when the known positive impact is a blank.

I'm a little cog in the healthcare wheel and I still know that I can do iatrogenic harm to people simply by introducing them to the idea that they have a 'problem' which is 'treatable'. I had better be sure that I take that into account every single day of my working life. So should they.

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