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Corrine Fowler: My writing on colonialism made me a hate figure – so I replied to my trolls

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NonLinguisticRhetoricIsMyKryptonite · 23/04/2024 07:33

Corrine Fowler is a brave woman, the author of the National Trust report that scarcely anyone read but generated a lot of heat and light. Considering other newsworthy stories at the moment and women unders similar pressure, this is inspirational.

Could this happen with Cass and on other issues?

During the first few months of controversy and coverage, I was rarely given a right of reply. Instead, I watched with mounting dismay as I was presented as an enemy of the British people. Embroiled in a culture war, I encountered opinions I’d never heard before. But the experience unexpectedly transformed the way I relate to people who aren’t like me.

When people heard politicians denouncing the Trust report, or saw me characterised as politically “biased”, finger-wagging, or generally doing down Britain (often a combination of all three), it’s hardly surprising that they felt wronged. The actual content of the Trust report and the evidence it presented was rarely discussed.

For over a year, there was little respite from the frequent articles and the angry messages that came in their wake. These were variations on a theme: “one really needs a no-platforming rule for pushy academics”; “I’m not sure you should be allowed anywhere near a university building” and, “presumably you obtained the professor bit out of a Christmas cracker”. There are many more like that.
There was also far worse: I received threats which were obscene and violent…

One day, when a stranger wrote, “your willingness to make yourself a laughing stock is appreciated and hilarious”, I hit the reply button. “Dear __,” I began, and pointed out all the inaccuracies in the article that he’d read. Perhaps surprised at my conciliatory response, he replied, “Oh. In that case, I must have added to your woes.”
To another emailer, who wrote that I had “slandered a race on the grounds of the alleged misdeeds of their ancestors” and was therefore “guilty of racism by deliberately stirring racial hatred,” I detailed my own ancestors’ involvement with slavery in Haiti and set out my case that, since formerly colonised people and their descendants had been greatly impacted by colonial history, I thought it better to bring this information into the public domain than to conceal it for fear of giving offence. To my surprise, I got a short reply: “You’re obviously not a bad person, you have my respect for answering.”

Reflecting back on the whole experience, focusing on critical, often hostile, voices was like turning the radio dial after years of having had it tuned to my favourite station. It revealed a world of parallel perspectives. My work has always been borne out of a desire to understand our shared history. But the fierce response to that work, while unsettling, prompted me to go much further in listening to people from across political and generational divides. We’re limited by what we know: the more diverse our thinking the more insightful the conversations we can potentially have.
Being under so much fire turned out to be a blessing in disguise. When I became a hate figure, I suffered at first. But I came to realise that, since they’d never met me, people didn’t actually hate me as a person. And when I reached out to the writers of those letters, their response was amazing. It’s been stimulating to interact with people who think radically differently from me: everyone deserves to be taken seriously. Now I’m a happier and more confident person. After everything that happened during that long year, there’s not much left to be afraid of.

https://archive.is/jJQ9M

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/22/corrine-fowler-national-trust-report-on-colonialism-trolls/

My writing on colonialism made me a hate figure – so I replied to my trolls

When I wrote a National Trust report on country houses’ links to the Empire and slavery, I never expected to enter a culture war

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/22/corrine-fowler-national-trust-report-on-colonialism-trolls

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TempestTost · 01/05/2024 01:52

Sausagenbacon · 30/04/2024 19:31

While we're on the subject, I've done a longitudinal study on a rural Gloucestershire parish, starting in the early 19th century. What surprised my was what a large proportion a)didn't marry or b) marry, but had no children

There must have been a lot more people who were infertile due to illnesses like measles.

Sausagenbacon · 01/05/2024 07:27

Yes.
Any info. on causes of death?
Many adult deaths due to phthisis (tb)

Sausagenbacon · 01/05/2024 07:58

All of which is to say, I don't think we can look at history and label people, or even customs and laws, just "bad" or "good." Often conditions were so much differernt it can be difficult to appreciate what certain things actually meant to people concretely.

This, absolutely. That's why I get so fed up when, in many history programmes they say 'they MUST have felt' this or that. No, you have literally no idea how they felt.

So many people use history as a platform for their particular hobby horses.

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 08:50

Sausagenbacon · 01/05/2024 07:58

All of which is to say, I don't think we can look at history and label people, or even customs and laws, just "bad" or "good." Often conditions were so much differernt it can be difficult to appreciate what certain things actually meant to people concretely.

This, absolutely. That's why I get so fed up when, in many history programmes they say 'they MUST have felt' this or that. No, you have literally no idea how they felt.

So many people use history as a platform for their particular hobby horses.

I think it is interesting to compare expectations of the right to health care in the UK and USA today:

In the UK since the development of the NHS we believe that everyone has an automatic right to health care. The thought that because someone hasn’t made provision to pay for it, they should be denied is an anathema to us. We even go further and many object to the idea that we could go private.

In the USA if you don’t have money or health insurance then many belief you simply shouldn’t be treated. It is a service like any other service that if individuals cannot pay for then they must forego.

Grammarnut · 01/05/2024 09:06

TempestTost · 01/05/2024 01:44

I think that what we often see is that when there is a lot of technological change, or new economic markets open up, you get situations where some people benefit and there is also all kinds of exploitation, as well as social change that causes huge amounts of stress.

It then takes a generation to begin to try and regulate the new way of life with social norms, laws, and the rest.

Often, even when conditions in the past seem alien and bad to us, there was a kind of social good that was served by various customs, and sometimes things we don't see to appreciate had a purpose. The fact that people were tied to the land, for example, seems alien and awful to most people today, but it's also the case that they had a right to live and work on said land, and the lord wasn't allowed to just cut people loose. (Which isn't the case now, it's entirely possible to make people landless, with no resources to create wealth.)

There were, during many periods, obligations also on the aristocracy, not least fighting off raiders and those who would take your land and your wife and your wealth. It created a kind of stability, and it's inaccurate to imagine even they were living a life of what we would consider luxury. Most worked a lot harder than people do today at a desk type job.

All of which is to say, I don't think we can look at history and label people, or even customs and laws, just "bad" or "good." Often conditions were so much differernt it can be difficult to appreciate what certain things actually meant to people concretely.

Thank you. You are so right. We cannot judge the past by what we think and believe. The Medieval peasant on the lord's land was much more secure than a e.g. an American living in a 'right to work state' and in a well-paid job now. He could not be moved off his land because the lord had an obligation towards him and was not allowed to evict his tenants. Thanks.

Mytholmroyd · 02/05/2024 11:08

We are kidding ourselves if we don't think this is still going on in society and in universities. I faced it and one of my daughters did when going to university at Bath - she was voted 'best northerner' every year and had a nickname along the lines of chips and gravy (can't remember it exactly) - all meant kindly I am sure but it is othering.

Corrine Fowler: My writing on colonialism made me a hate figure – so I replied to my trolls
Mytholmroyd · 02/05/2024 11:10

In case you can't see it in the picture - this student was nicknamed 'council estate Chloe' when she ran for the Oxford Union.😡

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