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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dr Cass defends her report

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IcakethereforeIam · 20/04/2024 00:06

If anyone has a share token? Archive.ph isn't working for me with articles from the Times.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hilary-cass-i-cant-travel-on-public-transport-any-more-35pt0mvnh

She criticises the lies that opponents and idiots and Dawn Butler are peddling. Talks a little of the abuse she's suffering (mentions no names but being called a transphobe and a terf so work it out). Been advised on her security including no using public transport! Also the collusion from the clinics, including the Tavistock, refusing to cooperate....to try to sabotage the report?

All in all an amazing woman. I'd love to buy her a drink, let her have my kidney...

Hilary Cass: I can’t travel on public transport any more

Author of landmark review into transgender treatment tells of online abuse and her dismay at disinformation spread by, among others, a Labour MP

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hilary-cass-i-cant-travel-on-public-transport-any-more-35pt0mvnh

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/04/2024 00:12

Archive link
https://archive.ph/m1mfc

songaboutjam · 20/04/2024 00:15

I was able to read this on mobile. I just had to switch on flight mode before the paywall loaded.

Here are some quotes that jumped out at me.

Calling the assertion “completely wrong”, Cass said that it was “unforgivable” for people to undermine her report by spreading “straight disinformation”.

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Of Butler, she added: “You don’t get up in parliament with an intent to spread misinformation … [but] what I was dismayed about, was the understanding she got [from the report].”

[...]

Cass said: “There are some pretty vile emails coming in at the moment. Most of which my team is protecting me from, so I’m not getting to see them.” Some of them contained “words I wouldn’t put in a newspaper”, she said.

She added: “What dismays me is just how childish the debate can become. If I don’t agree with somebody then I’m called transphobic or a Terf [trans-exclusionary radical feminist].”

[...]

Cass responded yesterday by saying that there could plainly be ideological capture about “almost anything and certainly about this”.

In regards to Tavistock, she told The Times she had concluded “there were certainly one or two individuals … who I would describe as activists among the staff.”

However, she added: “I think the majority of staff believed what they were doing was right.”

[...]

And the conclusion:

Cass is keeping a low profile following the publication of her report, but is adamant that she wants to help with the implementation of her review’s 32 recommendations.

Meanwhile, NHS England has announced a Cass-style review of adult gender clinics.

“You heard it right here: I am not going to do the adult gender clinic review,” Cass said.

Toseland · 20/04/2024 01:16

She added: “What dismays me is just how childish the debate can become. If I don’t agree with somebody then I’m called transphobic or a Terf [trans-exclusionary radical feminist].”
I dislike she has used the word 'childish' - yes to an outsider perhaps 'the debate' can seem silly; as if it can be easily sorted out. But as we know that attitude is dangerously naive - Posie could've easily been killed in NZ, governments are in thrall to gender and 'both sides' are prepared to die on their hills.

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:34

Following publication of her 388-page report, figures including the Labour MP Dawn Butler repeated claims that Cass had not included 100 transgender studies in it.

Calling the assertion “completely wrong”, Cass said that it was “unforgivable” for people to undermine her report by spreading “straight disinformation”.

Butler is just mouthing all the Twitter TRA propaganda. Don't these people realise they're being duped?

lonelywater · 20/04/2024 01:39

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:34

Following publication of her 388-page report, figures including the Labour MP Dawn Butler repeated claims that Cass had not included 100 transgender studies in it.

Calling the assertion “completely wrong”, Cass said that it was “unforgivable” for people to undermine her report by spreading “straight disinformation”.

Butler is just mouthing all the Twitter TRA propaganda. Don't these people realise they're being duped?

one of the most depressing aspects of this whole shit show is how many supposedly smart people parrot utter fucking nonsense, which has to mean they have switched off their brains for virtue points or they really are that thick. not good either way.

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:43

The physician, 66, who has spoken about the toxic debate around the issue, also revealed that she had been sent “vile” abusive emails and been given security advice to help keep her safe.

It's utterly unacceptable that a renowned and highly respected government appointed paediatrician requires protection for doing her job.

There absolutely needs to be a massive investigation/inquiry to expose these people.

She must be horrified at what her report is exposing after its publication.

SD1978 · 20/04/2024 01:50

The lack of transparency and cooperation has really bit them hardest on the arse. When you refuse to cooperate, there is an assumption you're hiding something- so maybe these clinics had positive data to share (unlikely) but choosing as a public NHS organisation, not to share data with a government report- the senior management should all be stood down and fired.

GenderlessVoid · 20/04/2024 01:51

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:34

Following publication of her 388-page report, figures including the Labour MP Dawn Butler repeated claims that Cass had not included 100 transgender studies in it.

Calling the assertion “completely wrong”, Cass said that it was “unforgivable” for people to undermine her report by spreading “straight disinformation”.

Butler is just mouthing all the Twitter TRA propaganda. Don't these people realise they're being duped?

Cass said that it was “unforgivable” for people to undermine her report by spreading “straight disinformation”.

It's all they have. They hope their disinformation will be enough. It really shows how devastating the report was when their best move is to spread lies about it.

lonelywater · 20/04/2024 01:54

GenderlessVoid · 20/04/2024 01:51

Cass said that it was “unforgivable” for people to undermine her report by spreading “straight disinformation”.

It's all they have. They hope their disinformation will be enough. It really shows how devastating the report was when their best move is to spread lies about it.

Edited

but not surprising. If you actually believe its possible to change sex as a foundational belief then your grip on truth and reality are evidently shaky at best.

ANewCreation · 20/04/2024 01:56

It's a shame it won't be Cass looking at the 'evidence' from the adult gender clinics but I can completely understand why she doesn't want to do it...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2024 02:03

Vile, abusive bullies. And Butler is a disgrace, as usual.

Signalbox · 20/04/2024 02:07

She’s been advised not to take public transport due to threats from activists.

I suspect it’s starting to dawn on Cass that this is not a “both sides” are toxic scenario. She’s now a TERF and she can expect to be treated accordingly which includes being at risk of violence and labelled toxic and unkind.

songaboutjam · 20/04/2024 02:28

I'm sure we terven weren't too enthused about some details of the Cass Report (like the legitimising of tru trans kids) but if we had anything to do with the pile-on she's suffered then I will consume my non-specified headgear.

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