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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

13-14 yo American girls protesting

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ZeldaFighter · 19/04/2024 09:43

https://www.outkick.com/sports/west-virginia-girls-protest-transgender-biological-male-track-field

Trans-identified male Becky Pepper-Jackson won a court case in West Virginia, affirming Becky's right to play in women's teams.

As reported to and by Riley Gaines, several competitors disagree with that decision and protested when scheduled to compete against Becky.

West Virginia Girls 'Step-Out' Of Track & Field Meet To Protest Transgender Competitor

Several members of a girls' track & field team in West Virginia protested a meet because of the inclusion of a transgender opponent.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/west-virginia-girls-protest-transgender-biological-male-track-field

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lady69 · 19/04/2024 10:13

Brave girls, i salute them for their protest. 💚🤍💜

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2024 10:14

That's encouraging. Brave girls with boundaries.

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2024 10:21

Bloody good for them.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2024 10:28

I like that they 'stepped in then stepped out', they didn't just call in sick. They were there ready to compete. That was very brave.

I also feel so sorry for the child who has been transed. Poor kid. I'm assuming pb and likely, by now, wrong sex hormones. There's probably no way back.

lifeturnsonadime · 19/04/2024 10:44

Good for them. Keeping girls in sport around this age is essential. It's absolutely imperative that they should have fair competition.

Riley Gaines is a great role model to these girls to speak up.

Helleofabore · 19/04/2024 10:51

Great effort from those girls. This is one to remember to post every time we see that tired old trope about 'the younger generations are so much more accepting of this' pulled out.

Those posters never hang around after the school protests about losing female toilets, and I think this will just add to their reluctance to defend their position.

NotBadConsidering · 19/04/2024 10:52

What brave girls. To do that knowing all eyes are on you only at that moment, even a small event like this took incredible guts.

LoopyGremlin · 19/04/2024 10:55

Good for them.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 19/04/2024 11:00

Brave, brave girls!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/04/2024 11:00

Agreeing with everyone else - so courageous. Especially knowing that the "be kind" brigade will now relentlessly bully them

ZeldaFighter · 19/04/2024 11:14

Just to add - if you can share, publicise, etc to support these girls, that would be great. I don't do much social media and I couldn't post this if I did for fear of losing my public sector job. Thank you 😊

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KellieJaysLapdog · 19/04/2024 11:23

Good.

Girls should not, and are not, putting up with this shit.

The TRAs can cross their fingers and wait for the @second wavers to die off but they are wrong if they think Gen Alpha aren’t going to fight back.

Dylan Mulvaney has been great for activating a new gen of tiny terfs.

Waitingfordoggo · 19/04/2024 11:33

Good for them. As Riley Gaines said ‘It's a sad day when the middle school girls have to be the adults in the room’. Incredibly brave and I doubt I’d have been brave enough at that age.

I feel for the child with the trans identity as they are, after all, a child and this will have made them feel awful I imagine. But if the adults in charge (the parents of the ‘trans child’ and those involved in running the sports events) had made better decisions it would never have had to come to this.

SpringLobelia · 19/04/2024 11:36

Wow! That is a very powerful protest. Stepping in then stepping out.

I applaud their bravery.

RethinkingLife · 19/04/2024 11:59

13 year-olds girls like Mary Beth Tinker have moved political mountains in the US before now…

"A few years ago, I invited Mary Beth Tinker to meet with my undergraduate class on the history of American education. Tinker herself is an important figure in that history, because she was one of the students who wore black armbands to school in Des Moines, Iowa, in 1965 to protest America’s involvement in the Vietnam War. Sent home as a punishment, she sued her school district on free-speech grounds. Tinker v. Des Moines made its way to the Supreme Court, which ruled in her favor in 1969. In a ringing decision, the Court declared that neither students nor teachers need to “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.”
My students loved Tinker’s story, and who doesn’t? Adorable seventh grader confronts Big Bad Authority. Adorable seventh grader wins. Cut to the credits.

But when our class discussion turned to the present, the mood changed. Students insisted that schools and universities should prohibit hate speech, which hurts innocent people. Mary Beth Tinker was fighting the good fight, against the war in Vietnam. But racists and sexists and homophobes and transphobes are different, my students said. They cause harm, offense, and even trauma in their victims. We need to shut them down.

Tinker wasn’t having it. At her middle school in Des Moines, she said, there were students who had fathers, uncles, and brothers who were fighting in Southeast Asia. Don’t you think they were offended and hurt by a snot-nosed kid whose armband suggested that their loved ones were risking their lives for a lie?

Of course they were. Speech hurts, which is why censors across time have tried to stamp it out. So if you’re going to bar speech that hurts someone, well, forget about Tinker’s armband. Forget about free speech, period.

My students took this in, and then they tried another tack. Wasn’t free speech really just a tool of the powerful? That’s why white men like it so much, of course. It lets them have their say while it harms (there’s that word again) people with less status and influence in society.

Mary Beth Tinker wasn’t having that, either. In 1965, she told the class, she was a 13-year-old girl. Free speech was the only power she had! Take that away, and she would have nothing at all."

https://heterodoxacademy.org/blog/why-free-speech/

Why Free Speech? - Heterodox Academy

Unintended Consequences of Speech Censorship: Diminished Voices and Lost Opportunities for Racial Minorities and Society as a Whole.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/blog/why-free-speech

WickedSerious · 19/04/2024 12:21

Good for them,I'm sick to the back teeth of this crap.

Boiledbeetle · 19/04/2024 12:31

I'm sorry that the boy involved in all of this has been spectacularly let down by the adults guiding him that he thought this was ever in any way right or fair.

It shouldn't have ever got to the point where 13 year old girls saw this as the only option left to them to show the supposed adults that this isn't right or fair. But good on them for being so brave and what a stunning show of solidarity amongst the girls.

blueskiesfromnowon · 19/04/2024 12:46

It takes extra guts to stand there and do it on your own, particularly the first girl, you have to trust that the other girls will do it too when it’s their turn. And they all did, absolutely brilliant.

Runor · 19/04/2024 13:34

That’s quite powerful - as pp said, much more so than just not turning up!

Igmum · 19/04/2024 13:46

Thanks @RethinkingLife I love the Mary Beth Tinker story and well done those courageous girls. Yes, I feel sorry for any child who is transed but he can compete against his fellow boys.

binaryfinery · 19/04/2024 13:47

Good for them! What an example of sisterhood and courage calling to courage.

The only good thing about this pernicious ideology is that I think it is raising the feminist consciousness of more and more women and girls.

EasternStandard · 19/04/2024 13:50

This gives me hope as they are young and often the dinosaur argument you’ll be gone soon is used

Snowypeaks · 19/04/2024 14:02

Those girls have got guts to back up their principles. They will go far in life.

I'd forgotten the Mary Beth Tinker story, very inspiring.

Regarding the boy, I disagree with the judge profoundly. What happened to the child is between him, his parents and the school. He is competing with an advantage, why should the girls suffer? The boy should play sport with the other boys - however feminine he looks, I'm sure everyone will adapt. Typical prioritisation of male feelings over girls' human right to fair competition.

BlackForestCake · 19/04/2024 21:13

RethinkingLife · 19/04/2024 11:59

13 year-olds girls like Mary Beth Tinker have moved political mountains in the US before now…

"A few years ago, I invited Mary Beth Tinker to meet with my undergraduate class on the history of American education. Tinker herself is an important figure in that history, because she was one of the students who wore black armbands to school in Des Moines, Iowa, in 1965 to protest America’s involvement in the Vietnam War. Sent home as a punishment, she sued her school district on free-speech grounds. Tinker v. Des Moines made its way to the Supreme Court, which ruled in her favor in 1969. In a ringing decision, the Court declared that neither students nor teachers need to “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.”
My students loved Tinker’s story, and who doesn’t? Adorable seventh grader confronts Big Bad Authority. Adorable seventh grader wins. Cut to the credits.

But when our class discussion turned to the present, the mood changed. Students insisted that schools and universities should prohibit hate speech, which hurts innocent people. Mary Beth Tinker was fighting the good fight, against the war in Vietnam. But racists and sexists and homophobes and transphobes are different, my students said. They cause harm, offense, and even trauma in their victims. We need to shut them down.

Tinker wasn’t having it. At her middle school in Des Moines, she said, there were students who had fathers, uncles, and brothers who were fighting in Southeast Asia. Don’t you think they were offended and hurt by a snot-nosed kid whose armband suggested that their loved ones were risking their lives for a lie?

Of course they were. Speech hurts, which is why censors across time have tried to stamp it out. So if you’re going to bar speech that hurts someone, well, forget about Tinker’s armband. Forget about free speech, period.

My students took this in, and then they tried another tack. Wasn’t free speech really just a tool of the powerful? That’s why white men like it so much, of course. It lets them have their say while it harms (there’s that word again) people with less status and influence in society.

Mary Beth Tinker wasn’t having that, either. In 1965, she told the class, she was a 13-year-old girl. Free speech was the only power she had! Take that away, and she would have nothing at all."

https://heterodoxacademy.org/blog/why-free-speech/

This is so good that I am quoting the whole thing again.

It really boils my piss when people supposedly on the left want to restrict free speech, because poor and marginalised people need free speech most of all.

You cannot have democratic socialism without free speech because those workers, who you say should run society, need the confidence and the ability to speak out for their own interests.

If ordinary people are cowed and scared to say what they think, that's when you get grifters and bureaucrats like Stalin or the Scottish Greens taking over.

afternoonoflife · 25/04/2024 12:26

https://twitter.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1783253833583346129

One of the girls speaking at a press conference.

Riley Gaines is helping so many young women and girls.

https://twitter.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1783253833583346129

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