Has anyone listened?
She seems to be speaking in a very circumlocutory way about the toxicity of the trans debate, and more or less admits her cowardice in not speaking out, nor defending JK Rowling.
She even mumbles that JK is ‘a very good person’.
Two things struck me - one is this feels like another step towards sanity, with supporters peeping their heads a tiny way above the parapet. The second is the palpable tension in the air as these two accomplished women dare themselves to admit there’s a fucking great neon yellow elephant in the room.
It was very interesting.