Gender critical Labour MPs

[SiriAlexa]

Hello,

I am planning to vote for Labour in the next election but am concerned about their historic hostility towards women’s rights especially on the issue of self ID. I am also concerned about the way Rosie Duffield was treated.

I am interested in whether anyone has a list of which Labour MPs have either changed their mind or quietly supported gender critical women but previously didn’t speak up. Is any such list available? Ideally I’d like to see whether more than 50% now support the Cass report and women’s rights in the gender critical space. If many of them are still pro self ID than that will worry me. I don’t want the ground regained following the Cass report to be lost if Labour is still in the thrall of Stonewall.

Any comments appreciated. Thank you

[Emotionalsupportviper]

I honestly don't think that any of them really believe that people change sex.

They support self-ID because they fid it politically expedient. Whether any of them will have developed the moral courage to support the truth now that the wind seems to be changing, I honestly don't know.

There seems to be very few politicians with integrity nowadays.

[Snowypeaks]

If you've decided you're going to vote Labour or nobody, I think you should question/talk to your own local candidate.

If you don't get a satisfactory answers, or you become undecided, question/talk to all of the candidates.

It's the position of the leader and senior members of Labour whose opinions you need to know for assessing the stance of the party, rather than individual MPs, I would think.

[SiriAlexa]

@Snowypeaks

But won’t the views of individual MPs across the party matter for the purposes of putting forward legislation? I very well may not understand how this works fully because I thought the headcount of individuals supporting an issue would matter, in addition to the views of the senior leadership. If it is just the views of senior leadership that matter as you suggested, then is exercise is a lot easier.

[Snowypeaks]

@SiriAlexa

@Snowypeaks

But won’t the views of individual MPs across the party matter for the purposes of putting forward legislation? I very well may not understand how this works fully because I thought the headcount of individuals supporting an issue would matter, in addition to the views of the senior leadership. If it is just the views of senior leadership that matter as you suggested, then is exercise is a lot easier.

It can sometimes matter if the backbenchers feel very strongly about an issue and it's obvious that the public also feel strongly. But not always. Mostly, MPs get told what to support by the Whips Office and the vast majority go along with it.

[SiriAlexa]

@Snowypeaks

That’s really helpful. It sounds like having visibility into the views on MPs across the party would be helpful in this case, given it is a divisive issue which the public and possibly some MPs feel strongly about. If anyone has an analysis of this, it would be interesting to see.

[DiscontentedWoman]

I got a reply from John Healey's office a good while ago that was very much TWAW. He's the shadow defence secretary

[SiriAlexa]

Not encouraging at all! I wonder if there will be some repositioning following the Cass report.

[Kucinghitam]

Here's some of the MPs who are not on the side of reality.
https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313

[ArabellaScott]

What's Keir Starmer said about Cass?

Fuck all so far, I believe?

[crumpet]

Exactly. Where is Kier on this?

[Dumbledoreslemonsherbets]

Kier is a massive disappointment. If he can't be honest or even comment on a major study on this issue, he'll be equally dire on everything else.

I would have expected a statement from the Leader of the Opposition on this - it's the bare minimum we should be expecting of a professional politician.

[ArabellaScott]

He sent Wes Streeting to be the fall guy and is carefully staying out of it.

No support for Rosie Duffield. No support for Cass. No compassion for the families harmed by the Tavistock/Portman.

Maybe he'll muster up a weak '99% of women don't have a penis' for us at some point, or tell us we can't say only women have a cervix, before scurrying off again.

[ArabellaScott]

And he'll do it in that exasperated, petulant voice that implies that obviously he's on the Right Side, of course he is, how could anyone dare to suggest otherwise, without ever actually elucidating what the Right Side entails.

Whatever it is, he's on it; am I right, Keir?

[IcakethereforeIam]

There's also likely to bean influx of new Labour MPs after the next election. Fuck knows what they believe or if any that might be remotely GC will be weeded out before selection. I suppose it depends how captured the local parties are.

[DiscontentedWoman]

Ben Bradshaw, labour MP for Exeter seems to have nailed his flag firmly to the mast

[Boiledbeetle]

@crumpet

Exactly. Where is Kier on this?

Hiding his head under sofa cushions probably in the hope that when he emerges the news cycle will have moved on as he knows whatever his response to this his fence sitting won't work this time. He has to come down on one side of the other and we all know he really really really doesn't want to have to do that.

[JeannieDark]

I wonder what our old friend David Lammy thinks of the Cass report. I haven't heard his name mentioned in relation to it.