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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

SNP to reject calls to shut Sandyford

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Rainbowshit · 15/04/2024 21:17

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/15/snp-reject-calls-shut-tartan-tavistock-clinic-sandyford/

As predicted. Scotland needs to be rid of the SNP.

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lifeinthelastlane · 16/04/2024 11:05

Alba may not field a candidate in your area though. But there's the list vote too of course.

Rainbowshit · 16/04/2024 11:08

This is the reply I got from my Labour MSP.

Thank you very much for taking the time to write to me regarding the prescription of puberty blockers to children with gender dysphoria, and for drawing my attention to this research paper.

As you will know, the final report of the long-awaited Cass Review was published on Wednesday, which has identified a number of significant issues around the provision of gender identity services for children and young people until now. Whilst the scope of the independent inquiry conducted by Hilary Cass was limited to NHS service provision in England specifically, it is clear that its findings will have wider implications for gender identity service provision in the rest of the UK and beyond, and that current practices in Scotland must be reviewed in light of her recommendations in order to ensure that treatment provision in Scotland evolves in-line with current best practice, to ensure the very highest standard of care for the vulnerable children and young people who access these services.

I am particularly concerned by points highlighted by the Cass Review that aspects of the affirmative approach taken to care provision to date have not been evidence-based, including the prescription of puberty blockers to children and young people under the age of 18. Cass’ final report makes clear that in her professional opinion, a medical pathway for treatment will only be appropriate in a minority of cases, where it should be accompanied by psychological and psychosocial support. I am further aware that concerns have been raised by David Bell, the former governor of the Tavistock Clinic in London, that a similar, affirmative approach to treatment is currently being followed at the Sandyford Gender Service in Glasgow, and that puberty blockers are reportedly still being prescribed there. I believe that treatment provision in Scotland should now be reviewed as a matter of urgency in the light of the recommendations made by the Cass Review – I welcome that the Scottish Government has committed to look into the way that service provision in Scotland is currently run, and will monitor the situation going forward to ensure that this promise is upheld.

It is clear from the report’s recommendations that an evidence-based, multidisciplinary and holistic provision of care is needed, and that it is crucial that this is available to the children and young adults who need it in a timely fashion. The report highlights that a lack of NHS capacity in this specialism and the resultant long waiting times have caused gender questioning children and young people in England considerable further distress at an already challenging developmental stage in their lives, leaving them to look for support elsewhere, including online. These shortcomings could be equally applicable to the current service provision in Scotland. Just one specialist gender identity clinic – the Sandyford Clinic in Glasgow – currently caters for children and young people under the age of 18, resulting in long waiting times as well as long distances to travel for those living further away from the Central Belt. A Freedom of Information request by BBC Scotland revealed that at the end of 2023, 1,100 young patients were on the waiting list for this service, which is highly concerning given the detrimental impact on children’s’ mental health and wellbeing which was highlighted by the report. The Cass Review is clear that children and young people with gender incongruence and gender related distress deserve to receive the same standards of care as other children and young people, and the status quo is simply not good enough. Scottish Labour remains firmly committed to bringing down NHS waiting lists, and I will continue to push the Scottish Government to do so, as well as closely monitoring the ongoing developments in gender identity care for children and young people now that the Cass Review has been published.

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RedToothBrush · 16/04/2024 11:10

Has to be said, splinters appear present in that response.

Rainbowshit · 16/04/2024 11:24

Sarwar also fence sitting.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca60bbc9-b991-4788-b0c7-1cd7e9ed46c0?shareToken=3ee6d9722a81bf4cab311cc22da1ad78

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Rainbowshit · 16/04/2024 11:35

Politicians from all parties calling for a separate Scottish review after the #CassReport are guilty of the most fatuous Scottish exceptionalism. Just how do they suppose it would improve upon this detailed years long process led by a senior clinician?

Agree with what Joanna Cherry has tweeted. Why do we need a separate review? All that will do is waste money and allow more children to be harmed while it happens.

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Skyellaskerry · 16/04/2024 11:49

Rainbowshit · 16/04/2024 11:35

Politicians from all parties calling for a separate Scottish review after the #CassReport are guilty of the most fatuous Scottish exceptionalism. Just how do they suppose it would improve upon this detailed years long process led by a senior clinician?

Agree with what Joanna Cherry has tweeted. Why do we need a separate review? All that will do is waste money and allow more children to be harmed while it happens.

Completely agree too.

lechiffre55 · 16/04/2024 11:58

Rainbowshit · 16/04/2024 11:35

Politicians from all parties calling for a separate Scottish review after the #CassReport are guilty of the most fatuous Scottish exceptionalism. Just how do they suppose it would improve upon this detailed years long process led by a senior clinician?

Agree with what Joanna Cherry has tweeted. Why do we need a separate review? All that will do is waste money and allow more children to be harmed while it happens.

Ego.
The political class of Scotland have to justify their expense to the taxpayer. Just going along with the rest of the UK might make people wonder is all the extra expense worth it?

ArabellaScott · 16/04/2024 12:03

McGender is unique and special of course.

I see none of them mention the NHS Scotland hosting links to the Eunuch Archive.

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2024 12:03

Our first minister has spoken

Scotland's first minister has said transgender women will be protected under any new misogyny laws.
Humza Yousaf insisted that "anyone affected" by misogyny would be covered, whatever their biological sex.
He also insisted the Scottish government would not spend an "inordinate" amount of time deciding whether to follow the recommendations of the recent Cass Review into gender care.
The Scottish government wants to introduce a bill to tackle misogyny before the end of the current parliamentary term in 2026, following a review carried out by the human rights lawyer Baroness Helena Kennedy KC.
Women were not included in the recent Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 that was introduced on 1 April - a decision that Mr Yousaf said had followed discussions with a number of women's groups.
When asked whether fresh legislation would cover transgender women, Mr Yousaf said that it would, as whoever was directing misogynistic abuse would be unaware if a woman was trans or not.

Anonymous young person in the countryside

Hilary Cass: Weak evidence letting down children over gender care

A landmark report says "toxicity" of debate is hampering medical research into gender services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68770641

Cosmosforbreakfast · 16/04/2024 12:08

''Unaware''

Is he for real?

lifeinthelastlane · 16/04/2024 12:13

whoever was directing misogynistic abuse would be unaware if a woman was trans or not
No words.

rogdmum · 16/04/2024 12:23

I have no idea who I would vote for in the next election unless some new candidates stand who show even an inkling of understanding. My Labour MSP is Choudhury Foysol and I can’t overstate just how awful he has been in his engagement with me. First like pulling teeth to just get him to engage, then simply awful and now back to non engagement.

My Tory MSPs haven’t been any better, TBH and while there are a small number of Scottish Conservatives who are very good on the issue, overall the party is lacklustre and, IMO a lot of their shouty noise is grandstanding, not because they actually care.

rogdmum · 16/04/2024 12:24

Good grief. Put his name backwards. Foysol Choudhury

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2024 12:27

I haven’t a clue who to vote for in Scotland. None of them attract me to vote for them

not a single party

Skyellaskerry · 16/04/2024 12:36

@littlbrowndog same here. Unless there’s a good independent it looks like I might be spoiling my ballot for the first time in my life.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 16/04/2024 13:04

My husband is Scottish and after the Brexit vote we were tentatively discussing retirement plans. Specifically whether to move to Scotland as it seemed to be a progressive country going in a direction we thought preferable to England.

Currently no plans to move north of the border now at all, and that’s not due to the gender issue but the complete clusterfuck of government thanks to the SNP. DH would have voted yes in the referendum, but thinks that’s blown out of the water for at least a decade as people are coming to the conclusion that maybe Westminster isn’t quite the problem everyone thought it was. It doesn’t bear thinking about how bad it would be by now if Scotland had become independent. Anyway, we watch and wait and Don’t Mention The Ferries Grin.

SinnerBoy · 16/04/2024 13:22

Well, if humdinger is extending protection against misogyny to transw, how about me? Surely it's discrimination an I can sue?

I wouldn't, really.

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2024 16:53

But Cass is a paediatrician

not a politician

why are Scottish children not to be protected like English children

would the greens not allow yousaf to do this ?

lifeinthelastlane · 16/04/2024 16:53

He's seriously starting a sentence with "as Stonewall says" at this stage?

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2024 16:54

He is

ArabellaScott · 16/04/2024 17:22

As noted by someone on another thread, 'international best practise' was chanted repeatedly when they tried to bring in self ID. We were told to follow Malta's example, ffs!

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2024 17:23

And he called us cis gender women.

the fucking cheek of him

JanesLittleGirl · 16/04/2024 17:25

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2024 12:27

I haven’t a clue who to vote for in Scotland. None of them attract me to vote for them

not a single party

It has been said in the USA that if God had meant them to have a President, He would have given them a candidate. The corollary for Scotland might be:

If God had meant them to have a Parliament, He would have given them a party.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 16/04/2024 18:05

philosoppee · 15/04/2024 21:26

Save our country. Get them out. The SNP are ruining us.

when I was little the SNP were the cranks. We used to shout rude words at the canvassers when they came out in their cars with megaphones.

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