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Hadley Freeman on Cass Report

37 replies

Cooroo · 14/04/2024 07:19

In The Times today. I've copied it all because it is so good.

[Redacted by MNHQ for copyright reasons]

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Swashbuckled · 14/04/2024 10:07

@Igneococcus

Excellent! Thank you so much 😊

Floisme · 14/04/2024 10:13

Thanks for copying op and for the archive link, although I have to disagree with you @SinnerBoy - she was excellent on the fashion desk, that was where I first noticed her.

mrshoho · 14/04/2024 10:23

Brilliant 👏

handskneesandbumpsadaisy · 14/04/2024 10:32

ApocalipstickNow · 14/04/2024 08:42

It’s slightly off topic (but still relevant), but I’m pulling these quotes out-

It’s difficult for men to understand how scary sex is for many teenage girls.
I think this is true. I was about 10 when I learned what sex involved and it was a very distressing thing. I also remember being shown porn mags round about the same time, by other kids (boys) and feeling fear. I don’t really know why but I don’t know if learning about sex is the same for boys and girls, if the way they feel is the same. I don’t think people really talk about it beyond how it’s a bit cringe, but I think there’s a link with the next bit-

Being a teenage girl is complicated, your body suddenly attracting adult male attention, but your brain still that of a child

I just don’t think boys experience being viewed as a sexually available person from being so young, and I think it does mean they have a blind spot about how girls feel about growing up.

I haven’t organised all my thoughts on this properly, but I have a 10 year old daughter, so lots of this is floating around my brain these days.

Anyway, TLDR if there was greater understanding of girl’s experiences of growing up we might enable safer times for them, because adding gender identity issues on top of everything else is just more pressure.

I understand what you're saying. I remember saying to my husband that for girls it's so scary, the moment you're old enough to attract the male gaze, you're also considered responsible for it too.

dreadisabaddog · 14/04/2024 10:35

Thank you for sharing- fantastic article

TammyOne · 14/04/2024 10:42

This is totally outrageous when I’ve had friends denied sterilisation (post children) unless their husbands agree, or denied hysterectomy for endo because they’re ’not old enough’ - Wtaf
Not to mention the total lack of care for actual female medical problems ( endo etc). I waited a year for a gynae outpatient appointment. That’s the standard wait apparently. Perhaps I should have asked for a fake penis instead.
Anyway, great article, I will be sharing it with everyone I know.

SinnerBoy · 14/04/2024 11:28

Swashbuckled · Today 09:55

Thanks SinnerBoy 😊 I need to subscribe to continue reading.

Oh, that does happen sometimes and I just click the X on the box. It's not doing it for me with that one, maybe it's a setting. But don't ask me, I don't actually know!

SinnerBoy · 14/04/2024 11:30

Floisme · Today 10:13

Thanks for copying op and for the archive link, although I have to disagree with you SinnerBoy - she was excellent on the fashion desk, that was where I first noticed her.

Oh, I don't disagree, I just meant that she's a really good serious journalist.

cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 14/04/2024 11:31

Well done Hadley.

This really is a national scandal.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/04/2024 11:49

handskneesandbumpsadaisy · 14/04/2024 10:32

I understand what you're saying. I remember saying to my husband that for girls it's so scary, the moment you're old enough to attract the male gaze, you're also considered responsible for it too.

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Yes, that’s it.

ChateauMargaux · 14/04/2024 12:25

Great article.. I wish the numbers of boys and girls who were given puberty blockers were shared.

OnHerSolidFoundations · 14/04/2024 13:36

Hadley as ever sums it up perfectly 👏

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