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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Terfs Were Right

58 replies

WallaceinAnderland · 12/04/2024 12:07

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Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 16:52

Feckedupbundle · 12/04/2024 15:30

Lauren Stoner bears an uncanny resemblance to the infamous Brighton Baby Shouter. Are they the same person?

I don't think so. Baby screamer was called Carly Mae Kavanagh. But I just googled her and you're right, the likeness is uncanny!

Edited to remove link, because it shared something else entirely! You can find it by searching for her.

menopausalmare · 12/04/2024 16:55

Proud to be a terf.

Karensalright · 12/04/2024 17:15

Might make a t shirt saying, Cass proves TERF’s are right

JanesLittleGirl · 12/04/2024 17:46

Karensalright · 12/04/2024 17:15

Might make a t shirt saying, Cass proves TERF’s are right

I would leave out the apostrophe if I were you.

Karensalright · 12/04/2024 18:26

@JanesLittleGirl 😂

KellieJaysLapdog · 12/04/2024 18:31

QueenCarrot · 12/04/2024 14:51

What about proof, roof, belief?

TERF is an acronym rather than an initialism, and no reason to assume that it would follow the same rule as elf. Both hoofs and hooves are acceptable plural forms of hoof.

Changing the f to a v in this instance makes no sense as the f clearly stands for feminist. Doubly so if you treat it as an initialism rather than an acronym as you would then be saying T.E.R.Vs

Mate, it’s just funny. Lighten up!

DialSquare · 16/04/2024 09:48

Over the last few days it has become apparent that not only were we right about the harm this ideology causes, we were also right about the reverse ferreting and rewriting of history we predicted would happen once the harms fully came to light. We told people who promoted the ideology that they needed to start looking for excuses as to why they promoted the sterilisation of children and we told them we wouldn't forget. JKR in particular is doing a stellar job of reminding them.

However, I wish it had never come to this and children had not been harmed/women losing jobs and abused etc. It will never make sense that it has got this far and is still not over.

PollyPeachum · 16/04/2024 10:04

What have we established?
Are we back to before my time, Trans people are just a form of Cosplay except for the <1% who do have both sets of genitals. Can we say it?
No more seeing Eddy Izzard in the ladies loo?
I guess it is not that simple, what else needs to happen?

Sandwichgen · 16/04/2024 10:21

Do now we have Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists

and

Trans Evasive Reverse Ferrets ?

BettyBooper · 16/04/2024 22:52

WallaceinAnderland · 12/04/2024 13:27

Posts like this

"If only there'd been some way of knowing that the kids' charity Mermaids was a danger to kids."

What the actual chuff.

Comment made in response to fucking grim picture

MyCosyDuck · 17/04/2024 15:13

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EasternStandard · 17/04/2024 15:16

Tg for women on here

Still a way to go but Cass has been great

MyCosyDuck · 17/04/2024 16:34

Why is it controversial to remond people that Susie Green publicly admitted she took her son, to Thailand, to be castrated, when he was 16, which is an operation that is illegal, at that age in the UK?

She did this and was lauded as a champion of equality and "be kind" and all that guff. People lapped it up.

And now, when it's too late for her son, and so many other children, people are finally catching on. After all of the harm wrought.

I don't know how anyone who supported this can sleep at night and I can't underastand why lising sightr of plain facts is considered offensive.

Soubriquet · 17/04/2024 16:47

Why has the susie green post been deleted? I mean, OP didn’t write anything that was wrong.

Garlicked · 17/04/2024 17:07

PollyPeachum · 16/04/2024 10:04

What have we established?
Are we back to before my time, Trans people are just a form of Cosplay except for the <1% who do have both sets of genitals. Can we say it?
No more seeing Eddy Izzard in the ladies loo?
I guess it is not that simple, what else needs to happen?

Polly, nobody has both sets of genitals.

A few men get a surgically constructed 'vagina' while keeping their penis, and a few get all their genitals removed. So-called true hermaphroditism in humans refers to muddled ovarian & testicular tissue, not multiple genital organs.

FrancescaContini · 17/04/2024 17:12

Great thread. Thanks 🤩

PollyPeachum · 17/04/2024 17:30

@Garlicked , Thank you for your comments. I really thought that the original Transexual treatment from say (1990s?) was for a tiny percentage of people who had been misidentified because of, 'deformity' for want of a better word.

True hermaphroditism was what I had in mind.
I thought I remembered a case in UK where a child developed unexpected characteristics. They were really not the same sex as had been thought. In my memory I am thinking they were school-age. But memory can trick us all.
What dates did this became easier to identify and correct.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2024 18:13

I posted it on another thread...somewhere but if KJK, for example, wants to produce a t shirt riffing on David Tennant saying

Leave kids alone you absolute freaks!

Perhaps on the back with 'Cass' in diamanté on the front.

I might buy one.

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 18:19

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 13:44

Terven also sounds like a modern coven.

There's a dance that the Terven do when attending events…

Witches Dance 2023

Frenchtown Witches Dance 2023Music: Schuttel Deinen Speck by Peter FoxChoreography adapted and led by Tricia Hurley from the choreography by Wolfshager Hexen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTjfEye0rrQ

Chersfrozenface · 17/04/2024 18:26

I really thought that the original Transexual treatment from say (1990s?) was for a tiny percentage of people who had been misidentified because of, 'deformity' for want of a better word.

No, it was for males who wanted to be "female" and vice versa. Actual males and females where there was no doubt at all as to their biological sex

In the explanatory notes to the Gender Recognition Act, for instance, you find the words "a male-to-female transsexual person" and "a female-to-male transsexual person".

MarieDeGournay · 17/04/2024 18:32

QueenCarrot · 12/04/2024 14:51
What about proof, roof, belief?
TERF is an acronym rather than an initialism, and no reason to assume that it would follow the same rule as elf. Both hoofs and hooves are acceptable plural forms of hoof.
Changing the f to a v in this instance makes no sense as the f clearly stands for feminist. Doubly so if you treat it as an initialism rather than an acronym as you would then be saying T.E.R.Vs
Thank you, your Apiaceaen Majesty!
One of the delights of FWR is that somebody somewhere knows absolutely everything, and will generously volunteer their arcane knowledge at the drop of a hat. Personally, I love itSmile

Garlicked · 17/04/2024 18:47

Thanks for your reply, @PollyPeachum. Genitals can be malformed at birth, just like any other body part. The most usual developmental abnormality is cleft palate, where the two halves of the face haven't fully joined up in utero.

One fairly common abnormality in genitals is quite similar - hypospadias. This is where the penis develops off-centre so, instead of the tube running down to middle to exit at the end, the urethra exits somewhere along the underside of the penis. In severe cases the urethral opening forms a slit down the length. It's estimated that about one in 200 boys are born with hypospadias.

In some girl babies, the clitoris is larger than normal (clitoromegaly). It can be caused in utero by a number of hormonal issues or vitamin deficiency. Some of these girls have puffy labia at birth.

At first glance on delivery, a boy with hypospadias might be taken for a girl, and a girl with clitoromegaly might be thought a boy. In the past, this has led to children being raised as the opposite sex. You'd think the presence or absence of a vagina would give a clue, and I really don't understand why this happened.

From roughly the 1960s onwards, surgeons became able to 'correct' some of the abnormalities. They did this to boys with hypospadias by removing the testes, then stitching everything together so the genitalia resembled a vulva, and creating a false vagina! The surgical reasoning was that the boy would never be able to urinate like a man but, by making it all lie flat, he could pee sitting down like a woman. These children were then told they were girls.

As those children grew up and puberty didn't happen, they were understandably shocked to learn the truth. They eventually formed groups, finding other people who'd been born with unusual sex organs, and started campaigning. They want to improve understanding about differences/disorders of sexual development, and to stop the practice of summarily changing a child's supposed sex.

You can see why they're so cross about genderists claiming to share the same issues and borrowing their language ("assigned at birth"). "Feeling like" the opposite sex is nothing like finding out as a teenager that your body is not the sex you've been told it was, that you've been irreversibly altered by a surgeon, or that you've got a developmental difference which may affect your future sex life and fertility.

Emeraldsrock · 17/04/2024 19:07

Nice to know. I got banned from twitter ages ago after an argument with a trans bore. Well actually I got hacked then banned but it was a strange coincidence.
The trans movement stopping us feminists by stealth rather than any sensible debate as usual.

Crankywiddershins · 17/04/2024 20:08

@Garlicked
Thank you for that excellent explanation.
As @MarieDeGournay says the Mumsnet hive is more comprehensive than any encyclopaedia and more accurate than Wikipedia.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2024 20:11

Prettier too, and smells nicer.