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[Long] Letter to James O’Brien - but will he read and digest?

49 replies

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 08:56

Dear James,

You’ve been querying the impact of the Cass Report and how it impacts young trans identifying kids. If you have a few minutes I’d like to share my experience.

Nearly 19 years ago I had my first child. She was a cute and tiny bundle with big, inquisitive blue eyes. She started crying on day three and pretty much didn’t stop for the first year due to colic (lactose intolerance). She crawled at 4m and walked at 8m. Something we were secretly chuffed about, but now (after 19 years of parenting and a degree in psychology) realise may have been a signal that certain developmental windows were being bypassed.

She was strongly and securely attached, but shy. Obsessed with first with Thomas the Tank Engine and then dinosaurs: she held lovely little tea parties with Emily and Thomas on an elaborate, extensive wooden train-set that covered the entire room’s floor, using a pretty miniature porcelain tea set where Emily would cry and ask Thomas for a kiss better - my daughter’s linear version of a dollhouse. Mermaids et al have since convinced her this was the first sign of being born in the wrong body. Because boys conduct tea-parties with their trains and STEM interests are just not for uterus-havers, amirite?

She struggled with friendships and school - vomiting from the stress of the impending school day every morning, slipping into a depression after tea on a Sunday so that by the age of 7 she was withdrawn and homeschooled for a bit. The HT, a very close friend and advisor for Mr Gove (Ed Sec a the time) asked whether I disliked school and was she picking up on this… I grew up in a toxic, DV filled home, so school was my refuge; teachers were my saviours and role models and often invited me home to study and eat tea in their kitchens [they could do that in the 80’s]. I have 4 degrees and am doing a PhD as I write. So, no, school was not an issue for me. Even though I also struggled to make friends with kids my own age and experienced the same isolation my child would.

It was another 6 years before, as the result of the degree in psychology, I realised my beautiful, quirky, extraordinarily bright and artistically gifted 12 year old was on the spectrum (and a further 6 years before ADHD was ascertained, having been told by CAMHS that she had no indicators). None of the professionals who worked with her spotted it. All queried home life - we gave up and both her ASD and ADHD assessments were done privately. We’re deeply privileged to be able to go the private route. Many vulnerable children and young adults are not. But that’s a rant for another day.

At age 12, it was the summer of the Trump Tapes, the Weinstein scandal, the giddy heights of the #metoo movement which, rather than embodying female empowerment, promoted a narrative of female victimhood, of passivity in the face of men with wondering hands, of powerlessness if they wanted career advancement. My beautiful little girl, with her Katniss Everdeen side plait, her love of film, art and books (dinosaurs and trains long since forgotten), had her first period. And her world imploded.

She really didn’t want to be a girl - periods were painful, messy and boys didn’t have to go through it so why should she (OCD is common in autistics, btw); there were little to no female film directors in Hollywood so how would she ever have a career in the industry she aspired to; and, thanks to the likes of Trump, she was just plain, fucking scared because girls/women just didn’t stand a chance against powerful white men who run the world and can ‘grab ‘em by the pussy’ whenever the mood takes them - oh, and brag about it to their sycophantic hangers on without repercussions.

The answer? To opt out of womanhood. Become a man. As a child, an autistic child, a lonely child who already finds the world scary she was very ill-equipped to cope when people started dying all over the world and enforced isolation/lockdowns come into play, so choosing to be a boy is a logical course of action, no? Especially when you are being told by SM, the rainbow waving senior/pastoral staff at your progressive and inclusive school that [gasps] you can actually be born in the wrong body: its just a matter of taking tablets to change sex; that they will be able to 3D print you a functioning phallus [yep, that’s out there] and rebuild your body; that your mother ‘grew you wrong’ [so not only is she a trans hating TERF bigot, but it’s also all her fault. Lovely].

Especially when identifying as trans means you are no longer the weird [autistic] kid in the class, but suddenly the new equivalent of the gay best friend [and, yes, teens expressly talk about wanting one of those, thank you GLEE etc], so there is social cachet in befriending you. You go from being shunned to being celebrated; from being unseen to being centred - but you know, even as an autistic person, that this is transactional. That your acceptance is conditional. And when, within a year or two, 50% of your year group (I kid you not) identify as trans, gay, lesbian, bi, demi, ace, pan and every other sub category of the new trans fam, you see your social desirability ebb away.

So then comes the depression; the overdoses of paracetamol; the severe self-harming that spans wrist to shoulder and when that’s too sore, ankle to thigh; the standing on the roof threatening to jump or drink bleach; the 48hr stays in the local hospital where you are discharged with yet another ‘pls follow up’ note to CAMHS - who still haven’t actually had a first triage appointment with you after THREE years of being referred.

You see, as Dr David Bell mentioned in an interview this week, the moment you mention the word ‘trans’ to a GP or CAMHS, you [and sadly not the can] are kicked down the road and every single thing you think or feel or do or can’t do is now seen through the lens of being trans - something that only the Tavistock can treat. You ask all the questions as a parent, and get no answers.

What about the fact that the sudden onset of gender dysphoria, coming as it did with child’s first menarche, could be to do with their autism? Well, that’s not CAMHS’ area, we don’t deal with autism, there’s a different pathway for that.
What about the OCD, social anxiety, depression, possible ADHD? Well, that’s the autism, isn’t it, so it won’t go away. HE’ll need to learn to cope.
But she isn’t coping, she is suicidally ideating and self harming - what about that? Has HE tried holding an icecube - really, really tightly until it hurts? That can be a great way to displace the urge to cut HIS arms to bits.

Then there are the referrals to Social Services every time we’ve had an A&E visit over deep cuts, overdoses, or the counsellor at the 6th form takes offence that I refer to my child using sex-based pronouns and believe - due to my degree in psychology and several decades of working with kids - that the affirmative approach is not appropriate. There’s the in-depth, invasive community-wide investigation into your parenting, that seems to get repeated every 12-18m as the old SS team leaves and a new one takes over your case, or your child ups the ante.

Meanwhile - your child has STILL not seen anyone or begun therapy. No private psychiatrist will take you on as seeing a CAMHS referred child means a conflict of care, so you can’t even opt out. So, in fact it is not until nearly 6 years - and only due to your child aging out of the CAMHS system and needing to ‘graduate’ into the adult service - that they finally get an online, 6 week, group course in DBT [where helpful nuggets of wisdom, such as ‘there is hope in hope itself’ are imparted]. Child centred care?

You, as that child, finally get a letter (after 5 years) from the Tavi asking if you still wish to remain on the waitlist; and another before your 18th birthday explaining you will move to the adult wait list. Plus a billion forms and questionnaires that, in your ASD/ADHD/distressed mindset are completely unable to face anyway.

Despite getting 10 GCSEs - mainly grades 8-9 - you cannot cope with 6th form. You try but drop out twice, so that at nearly 19, you are now trying and failing to do A Levels at home. Isolated, enveloped in feelings of failure as your cheerleading trans ally mates have lost interest, buggered off to uni, and are now busy partying and becoming enmeshed the next cause celeb - JustStopOil, anyone? Queers for Palestine? After all, as they are only allies, they have no skin in the game. Not even an epidermal cell.

They aren’t the ones who potentially would have risked their fertility or cognitive development by taking puberty blockers or cross sex hormones. They aren’t the ones desperate to take testosterone oblivious to the fact that this will cause a premature menopause, which in turn will lead to early onset osteoporosis as well as, ironically, and increase in female cancers. They aren’t the one’s wanting healthy breast tissues removed in unnecessary surgery. They aren’t the ones who’ve already had to have a breast cyst drained/excised on their 13th birthday due to wearing the chest binder their friends procured behind your parent’s backs; they weren’t the ones sleeping on a camp-bed for 3 days while your child was on IV antibiotics and traumatised at having to have two male clinicians look at, palpate and aspirate your breast.

So easy to be an ally when you loose nothing at all yourself and can waltz off to university, or go home from school/CAMHS and leave the child you’ve helped damage languishing in their loss.

So James, please take a moment to listen to parents and to detransitioners, to those pointing out that these individuals - whatever their age - are deeply vulnerable and in need of a holistic, science-based care; to impartial exploratory therapy; to better ASD/ADD/ND support in the community and schools; to an unbiased, non-political, and ideology free clinicians who affirm their distress but nothing else.

First, do no harm.

This should be at the centre of all treatment protocols. As should:

Second, ensure timely, holistic and evidence-based therapy is offered.

I hope the Cass Report will facilitate a wholesale revision in mental health services for children and young people - gender questioning or otherwise - on both a global as well as a national level, but it can only happen if we park the ideological

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BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 09:14

…was suppose to end ‘ideological bovine excrement’ LOL

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NoCloudsAllowed · 12/04/2024 09:21

I think you might be more concise.

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 09:22

yep- but the point was to detail 11 years of inadequate NHS care. Can’t do that in a single para.

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 12/04/2024 09:38

I’ve done a bit of proofreading for you, because I suspect JOB may be the sort of person who can dismiss an opinion on the basis of a couple of typos. I hope this helps. From my perspective your letter is moving and resonates with some of my experience.

Dear James,

You’ve been querying the impact of the Cass Report and how it impacts young trans identifying kids. If you have a few minutes I’d like to share my experience.

Nearly 19 years ago I had my first child. She was a cute and tiny bundle with big, inquisitive blue eyes. She started crying on day three and pretty much didn’t stop for the first year due to colic (lactose intolerance). She crawled at 4m and walked at 8m. Something we were secretly chuffed about, but now (after 19 years of parenting and a degree in psychology) realise may have been a signal that certain developmental windows were being bypassed.

She was strongly and securely attached, but shy. Obsessed with first with Thomas the Tank Engine and then dinosaurs: she held lovely little tea parties with Emily and Thomas on an elaborate, extensive wooden train-set that covered the entire room’s floor, using a pretty miniature porcelain tea set where Emily would cry and ask Thomas for a kiss better - my daughter’s linear version of a dollhouse. Mermaids et al have since convinced her this was the first sign of being born in the wrong body. Because boys conduct tea-parties with their trains and STEM interests are just not for uterus-havers, amirite?

She struggled with friendships and school - vomiting from the stress of the impending school day every morning, slipping into a depression after tea on a Sunday so that by the age of 7 she was withdrawn and homeschooled for a bit. The HT, a very close friend and advisor for Mr Gove (Ed Sec at the time) asked whether I disliked school and was she picking up on this… I grew up in a toxic, DV filled home, so school was my refuge; teachers were my saviours and role models and often invited me home to study and eat tea in their kitchens [they could do that in the 80’s]. I have 4 degrees and am doing a PhD as I write. So, no, school was not an issue for me. Even though I also struggled to make friends with kids my own age and experienced the same isolation my child would.

It was another 6 years before, as the result of the degree in psychology, I realised my beautiful, quirky, extraordinarily bright and artistically gifted 12 year old was on the spectrum (and a further 6 years before ADHD was ascertained, having been told by CAMHS that she had no indicators). None of the professionals who worked with her spotted it. All queried home life - we gave up and both her ASD and ADHD assessments were done privately. We’re deeply privileged to be able to go the private route. Many vulnerable children and young adults are not. But that’s a rant for another day.

At age 12, it was the summer of the Trump Tapes, the Weinstein scandal, the giddy heights of the #metoo movement which, rather than embodying female empowerment, promoted a narrative of female victimhood, of passivity in the face of men with wandering hands, of powerlessness if they wanted career advancement. My beautiful little girl, with her Katniss Everdeen side plait, her love of film, art and books (dinosaurs and trains long since forgotten), had her first period. And her world imploded.

She really didn’t want to be a girl - periods were painful, messy and boys didn’t have to go through it so why should she (OCD is common in autistics, btw); there were little to no female film directors in Hollywood so how would she ever have a career in the industry she aspired to; and, thanks to the likes of Trump, she was just plain, fucking scared because girls/women just didn’t stand a chance against powerful white men who run the world and can ‘grab ‘em by the pussy’ whenever the mood takes them - oh, and brag about it to their sycophantic hangers on without repercussions.

The answer? To opt out of womanhood. Become a man. As a child, an autistic child, a lonely child who already finds the world scary she was very ill-equipped to cope when people started dying all over the world and enforced isolation/lockdowns come into play, so choosing to be a boy is a logical course of action, no? Especially when you are being told by SM, the rainbow waving senior/pastoral staff at your progressive and inclusive school that [gasps] you can actually be born in the wrong body: it’=s just a matter of taking tablets to change sex; that they will be able to 3D print you a functioning phallus [yep, that’s out there] and rebuild your body; that your mother ‘grew you wrong’ [so not only is she a trans hating TERF bigot, but it’s also all her fault. Lovely].

Especially when identifying as trans means you are no longer the weird [autistic] kid in the class, but suddenly the new equivalent of the gay best friend [and, yes, teens expressly talk about wanting one of those, thank you GLEE etc], so there is social cachet in befriending you. You go from being shunned to being celebrated; from being unseen to being centred - but you know, even as an autistic person, that this is transactional. That your acceptance is conditional. And when, within a year or two, 50% of your year group (I kid you not) identify as trans, gay, lesbian, bi, demi, ace, pan and every other sub category of the new trans fam, you see your social desirability ebb away.

So then comes the depression; the overdoses of paracetamol; the severe self-harming that spans wrist to shoulder and when that’s too sore, ankle to thigh; the standing on the roof threatening to jump or drink bleach; the 48hr stays in the local hospital where you are discharged with yet another ‘pls follow up’ note to CAMHS - who still haven’t actually had a first triage appointment with you after THREE years of being referred.

You see, as Dr David Bell mentioned in an interview this week, the moment you mention the word ‘trans’ to a GP or CAMHS, you [and sadly not the can] are kicked down the road and every single thing you think or feel or do or can’t do is now seen through the lens of being trans - something that only the Tavistock can treat. You ask all the questions as a parent, and get no answers.

What about the fact that the sudden onset of gender dysphoria, coming as it did with child’s first menarche, could be to do with their autism? Well, that’s not CAMHS’ area, we don’t deal with autism, there’s a different pathway for that.
What about the OCD, social anxiety, depression, possible ADHD? Well, that’s the autism, isn’t it, so it won’t go away. HE’ll need to learn to cope.
But she isn’t coping, she is suicidally ideating and self harming - what about that? Has HE tried holding an icecube - really, really tightly until it hurts? That can be a great way to displace the urge to cut HIS arms to bits.

Then there are the referrals to Social Services every time we’ve had an A&E visit over deep cuts, overdoses, or the counsellor at the 6th form takes offence that I refer to my child using sex-based pronouns and believe - due to my degree in psychology and several decades of working with kids - that the affirmative approach is not appropriate. There’s the in-depth, invasive community-wide investigation into your parenting, that seems to get repeated every 12-18m as the old SS team leaves and a new one takes over your case, or your child ups the ante.

Meanwhile - your child has STILL not seen anyone or begun therapy. No private psychiatrist will take you on as seeing a CAMHS referred child means a conflict of care, so you can’t even opt out. So, in fact it is not until nearly 6 years - and only due to your child aging out of the CAMHS system and needing to ‘graduate’ into the adult service - that they finally get an online, 6 week, group course in DBT [where helpful nuggets of wisdom, such as ‘there is hope in hope itself’ are imparted]. Child centred care?

You, as that child, finally get a letter (after 5 years) from the Tavi asking if you still wish to remain on the wait list; and another before your 18th birthday explaining you will move to the adult wait list. Plus a billion forms and questionnaires that, in your ASD/ADHD/distressed mindset are completely unable to face anyway.

Despite getting 10 GCSEs - mainly grades 8-9 - you cannot cope with 6th form. You try but drop out twice, so that at nearly 19, you are now trying and failing to do A Levels at home. Isolated, enveloped in feelings of failure as your cheerleading trans ally mates have lost interest, buggered off to uni, and are now busy partying and becoming enmeshed the next cause celebre - JustStopOil, anyone? Queers for Palestine? After all, as they are only allies, they have no skin in the game. Not even an epidermal cell.

They aren’t the ones who potentially would have risked their fertility or cognitive development by taking puberty blockers or cross sex hormones. They aren’t the ones desperate to take testosterone oblivious to the fact that this will cause a premature menopause, which in turn will lead to early onset osteoporosis as well as, ironically, and increase in female cancers. They aren’t the ones wanting healthy breast tissues removed in unnecessary surgery. They aren’t the ones who’ve already had to have a breast cyst drained/excised on their 13th birthday due to wearing the chest binder their friends procured behind your parents’ backs; they weren’t the ones sleeping on a camp-bed for 3 days while your child was on IV antibiotics and traumatised at having to have two male clinicians look at, palpate and aspirate your breast.

So easy to be an ally when you lose nothing at all yourself and can waltz off to university, or go home from school/CAMHS and leave the child you’ve helped damage languishing in their loss.

So James, please take a moment to listen to parents and to detransitioners, to those pointing out that these individuals - whatever their age - are deeply vulnerable and in need of a holistic, science-based care; to impartial exploratory therapy; to better ASD/ADD/ND support in the community and schools; to unbiased, non-political, and ideology free clinicians who affirm their distress but nothing else.

First, do no harm.

This should be at the centre of all treatment protocols.

Second, ensure timely, holistic and evidence-based therapy is offered.

I hope the Cass Report will facilitate a wholesale revision in mental health services for children and young people - gender questioning or otherwise - on both a global as well as a national level, but it can only happen if we park the ideological bovine excrement.

pickledandpuzzled · 12/04/2024 09:40

It’s awesome, OP.

Is it too outing for you? You can send it to him, but it may be more impactful shared with him on SM.

How is your daughter doing now?

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 09:44

@RapidOnsetGenderCritic thank you - vomited it up this morning after 3 hours sleep as child concerned couldn’t sleep, paced the house/slammed cupboard doors, so I gave up too!

I’d thought of calling in, but you only get a sound bite if they call you. I wanted him/his researchers to actually understand what a decade of banging your head against the CAMHS/NHS wall is actually like. That we TERF mothers are not monsters because we love our kids.

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BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 09:48

pickledandpuzzled · 12/04/2024 09:40

It’s awesome, OP.

Is it too outing for you? You can send it to him, but it may be more impactful shared with him on SM.

How is your daughter doing now?

Am considering whether there is a wider space to share - PITT? I think there are a few tweaks I could do to make it less outing, but really, apart from the child herself, I suspect no-one would know it was me. I was thinking as I wrote it that so much of what we’ve gone through has been mentioned by other parents on Bayswater and other forums that there is some level of universality/anonymity.

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BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 09:58

@pickledandpuzzled sorry didn’t answer your question. DD still trans identifying (did do a ‘I’m detransitioning’ thing before Christmas but U-turned a few months later.) I get the sense she is just tired of it, especially now she is home alone, but still waiting for things to click … therapy would help, but we’re so scared of her being [even more] affirmed that we’ve not even tried finding a private therapist.

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mrshoho · 12/04/2024 10:00

I'm sorry for everything you and your daughter have gone through and continue to suffer with.

So much of your experience is similar to ours with our 19 year old daughter and I realise how she could so easily have been pushed down a path with permanently damaging consequences. We were 'lucky' if you call it that as she received her diagnosis just before the first covid lockdown and for her that break from high school saved her. When she returned in year 11 they were the second cohort not to take formal GCEs and she then moved to a separate sixth form which turned out to be the best move. Just wanted to offer some positivity as she's now at a university close by, living at home but getting on OK.

I'm not a JOB fan but go ahead and send your letter. The more parents that speak up the better.

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 10:06

@mrshoho thank you for your encouraging words. I am taking her to look at unis over the next few weeks, including one she really wants to go to, and hoping that seeing it will light a fire. She is so bright and such a loyal caring friend that I just feel the right course/uni - even if she commutes/lives at home for the first year - would help her see outside the online trans bubble.

She needs to encounter lots of new young people who are just interested in the industry she is and forge new friendships based on real core interests, not this GI stuff. It’s ruined her teens, but some days I fear the more it ruins it, the more she digs in. At least she feels safe and loved with us at home and we don’t have the fate-filled rows that I read about on other forums. We may not affirm, but she knows we are here for her whatever.

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Truthlikeness · 12/04/2024 10:08

That was very powerful. I'm sure it could have a wider audience.

IWilloBeACervix · 12/04/2024 12:04

Definitely publish somewhere, if you can. This is the sort of thing that the Cass report is trying to deal with. Children so let let down by a system that singled them out for inadequate care.

I’m so sorry for what you and your family have been through.

IWilloBeACervix · 12/04/2024 12:05

Oh, and JOB is an ignorant arsehole.

Citrusandginger · 12/04/2024 12:21

Thank you for writing this down. I wish you and your daughter well and I hope stories like yours reach the ears and brains of JOB and others.

Skyellaskerry · 12/04/2024 12:26

Citrusandginger · 12/04/2024 12:21

Thank you for writing this down. I wish you and your daughter well and I hope stories like yours reach the ears and brains of JOB and others.

Same as @Citrusandginger said from me too.

Cauliflowery · 12/04/2024 12:54

I'm moved to tears by your letter OP. I think it deserves a wide audience although appreciate you may not be up for that.

As a long term therapy user myself I really do think, with the right very highly trained therapist, this could help. There are a couple of ways you could vet potential candidates for ideological beliefs, if you're interested.

Outwiththenorm · 12/04/2024 13:02

It’s fantastic and also brought me to tears as quite close to home here.

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 13:13

Cauliflowery · 12/04/2024 12:54

I'm moved to tears by your letter OP. I think it deserves a wide audience although appreciate you may not be up for that.

As a long term therapy user myself I really do think, with the right very highly trained therapist, this could help. There are a couple of ways you could vet potential candidates for ideological beliefs, if you're interested.

Thank you. I am thinking of PITT, but that will mainly reach people who are already converted. I’d like it to potentially be seen by people who think they are being kind without any undrstanding of just how broken CAMHS is.

And,Yes, any tips on screening therapists would be awesome. We tried a lovely ex tavi person (one of the group that left) but DD was totally unreceptive. Have thought that maybe she needs a gay/lesbian but GC person so she can explore her feelings on that stuff. She’s (numerically) an adult now, so no conflict with CAMHS

Just hard to know where to start: “Hi my name’s Busy, before we start, are you a TERF or GI loon?” 🤣

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kinfauns · 12/04/2024 13:22

Hi OP, I’m so sorry you have been through such an awful time. We have similar experiences with my DD now 16. Removed her from CAHMs when they sent me a letter referring to “he / him” after one consultation. Battled with school when they changed her name on the register without consulting us. Finally got an autism diagnosis aged 15. I too would love to find her therapeutic help to untangle the trans identity but like you, I am terrified of sending her to someone who will affirm and hasten her down the medical pathway. Parenting my autistic daughter and trying to navigate her through this has been the most isolating and lonely experience of my entire life. People need to read your letter, I hope you can get it out there!

Lovemyassistancedog · 12/04/2024 13:28

I thought this was very moving. And I don't think it's outing - this is a familiar story for anyone paying attention. Far too many people have the same experience.

I wonder if you'd send it to the BACP (that's the one I'm most familiar with but there may be others) and ask them if they can recommend an appropriate therapist who will put safeguarding above ideology? Because I know an excellent counsellor who works with young adults and she refers those with a gender identity on to Mental Health practitioners because she knows she doesn't have the backing of the BACP, etc, because they are 'stonewalled' or captured. You could try to challenge them on this so that at some point in the, hopefully, not-too-distant future, it becomes possible to find the therapists and counsellors who actually do have the confidence to work therapeutically with these vulnerable people who deserve support.

mrshoho · 12/04/2024 13:39

Just to say as well re University, we have found their disability services to be excellent. We first applied for DSA last year and following an assessment an individual report was produced detailing what support she should have. For her the support is a mix of IT programs to help with organisation/note taking as well as weekly sessions with a mentor. One of the programs also has a type of panic button that she can activate if she finds herself in difficulty and someone will make contact with her. She's used it whilst commuting once and also after we'd had a row at home. If you haven't already I'd suggest applying soon as it is better to have it in place before the course starts.

Another thing that helped her was a wonderful support person at her sixth form. She volunteers at a local Art project and referred my daughter. She still attends there and said it's one place she feels accepted and calm. I went with her initially and was so impressed. She can carry on there up to 25 as well. It's a mix of arts based therapy plus social skills and fun, creative activities. Slowly slowly my daughter began to accept her body and biological sex. She still very protective towards the trans community and I avoid many topics as I really feel her social and emotional maturity is still catching up with her biological age.

Good luck to you both.

QuickMember · 12/04/2024 14:24

Sorry, I’m fairly new here but I had to drop a comment. Your letter, OP, is so moving. I wish you and your daughter all the best. I have a daughter myself and I am really thinking about how her experiences with puberty will be. I hope your letter gets read by many people.

Cauliflowery · 12/04/2024 14:40

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 13:13

Thank you. I am thinking of PITT, but that will mainly reach people who are already converted. I’d like it to potentially be seen by people who think they are being kind without any undrstanding of just how broken CAMHS is.

And,Yes, any tips on screening therapists would be awesome. We tried a lovely ex tavi person (one of the group that left) but DD was totally unreceptive. Have thought that maybe she needs a gay/lesbian but GC person so she can explore her feelings on that stuff. She’s (numerically) an adult now, so no conflict with CAMHS

Just hard to know where to start: “Hi my name’s Busy, before we start, are you a TERF or GI loon?” 🤣

Ha, I do think you have to ask something along those lines, sadly! I'm also looking for my kid. They're not trans but are non-conforming & I just don't trust a therapist who can't see the inherent homophobia and misogyny in trans ideology. It's also ok to try a few to find the right fit. I did, for my own therapy, and the "right fit" therapist was a totally different nationality and culture, but it worked.

Sorry if obvious, but have you tried contacting Bayswater Support or Thoughtful Therapists? They might be able to recommend someone, and the former is specifically for families with a trans identified member.

I've noticed, when looking for a child therapist for my kid, that loads have an online presence and are often very happy to broadcast any special gender identity training and expertise. Ukcp members that oppose ukcp's recent change of stance (towards accepting exploratory therapy for gender issues and accepting GC views) are also organising openly online. All this is helping me know who not to choose.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 14:40

It's a great letter, OP.

Much love to you and your daughter. xx

Changed18 · 12/04/2024 14:51

A really moving letter, OP.