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A vindication of British feminists

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ArabellaScott · 11/04/2024 17:17

https://alexmassie.substack.com/p/the-vindication-of-britains-feminists

I want to tip my hat to every woman who has signed petitions, attended demos, written letters, responded to consultations, had patient conversations, had enraged conversations, gardened, and kept things moving forward.

Women won't wheesht, and especially not when it comes to the wellbeing of children.

The Vindication of Britain's Feminists

The Cass Review into the treatment of gender-questioning children is devastating. The truth was always there to be seen: many chose not to see it.

https://alexmassie.substack.com/p/the-vindication-of-britains-feminists

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mrshoho · 11/04/2024 22:27

Not sure if it was on a post here or elsewhere but it feels rather apt.

“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” Winston Churchill

Keep fighting the good fight 💪. Oh and permission to shout and be victorious in this win!

Citrusandginger · 11/04/2024 22:37

I've had only the tiniest influence here, but I'm proud that I took action to safeguard children and protect women's spaces.

Others have done way more and taken the bullets, but Cass wouldn't have happened without the quiet campaigning of the thousands of us who refused to go away and shut up.

I'm not crowing, because hundreds of children have been harmed and I don't see that as anything to celebrate. There is also a great deal of work still to do.

But I'm fucking glad that no debate is over and children will no longer be trafficked onto unsuitable treatment pathways, that they will spend the rest of their lives regretting.

JanesLittleGirl · 11/04/2024 22:40

JanesLittleGirl · 11/04/2024 18:50

Try reading some of the heartbreaking posts on this forum from mothers who have fought and lost against this vile ideology and the practicioners who displayed not one moment of introspection and now have irreparably damaged children and then post again.

Sorry that I was so gentle. I don't want a golden bridge. I want a golden plank and I want to see all the fuckers that were actively involved or spent their influence handwaving away our proven concerns march over it. All the bien pensants who told us that we were wrong and didn't understand. Fuck you Wes Streeting, fuck you Yvette Cooper, fuck you Maria Miller. You had the same information that we did. What the fuck is your excuse?

SidewaysOtter · 11/04/2024 22:45

It’s a shame @PatatiPatatras post was removed because it made an important point; that we women shouldn’t have to be demure and polite just because we’ve finally got people to listen to us. It smacks of “Yes, we’ve all heard you now so you don’t have to be so shrill.”

Shame on the person who reported it.

Snowypeaks · 11/04/2024 22:49

This a collective noun - a "vindication" of feminists.

Citrusandginger · 11/04/2024 22:55

SidewaysOtter · 11/04/2024 22:45

It’s a shame @PatatiPatatras post was removed because it made an important point; that we women shouldn’t have to be demure and polite just because we’ve finally got people to listen to us. It smacks of “Yes, we’ve all heard you now so you don’t have to be so shrill.”

Shame on the person who reported it.

Seconded. I agreed with every word.

AlisonDonut · 11/04/2024 23:05

Patting anyone on the back is all well and good but they are still blathering on about evidence based. When we know for a fact that kids who are upset at stereotypes shouldn't be medicated or have body parts removed just because they like the wrong toys.

We have to remember that the activist medics will now start to create studies to manufacture this evidence. The fight has only really just begin.

So raise a glass to the ordinary women who did extraordinary things but let's not get punch drunk on this report. There's a long way to go yet.

OnHerSolidFoundations · 11/04/2024 23:10

Here here @ArabellaScott ✊🏽

rabbitstail · 11/04/2024 23:20

DialSquare · 11/04/2024 18:48

I actually think the backlash will be coming from the general public who were unaware until now and it's not going to be against the women who have been shouting about it for years, it will be against the people/organisations who instigated/allowed it to happen.

I truly hope so 🤞

SwordToFlamethrower · 11/04/2024 23:22

Yep. I have massively weighed in on this. Financially, been on protests, supported others, bought books, taken out patreons.

I've also massively lost friendship groups, been tarred and feathered as it were.

I've also lost my own peace of mind and been suicidal and close to being admitted to hospital with the stress and trauma of it.

I'd do it again too. Started in 2016 for me.

IDontHateRainbows · 11/04/2024 23:24

SidewaysOtter · 11/04/2024 22:45

It’s a shame @PatatiPatatras post was removed because it made an important point; that we women shouldn’t have to be demure and polite just because we’ve finally got people to listen to us. It smacks of “Yes, we’ve all heard you now so you don’t have to be so shrill.”

Shame on the person who reported it.

Why was it removed? For disagreeing with the other poster?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 23:25

A shame that a woman's righteous anger was deleted. I remember reading a conversation between 2 men ages ago about the erasure of women's rights. One of them commented "I'm surprised women haven't burnt the whole place down"
While I'd never promote arson, it was a stark reminder of how our socialisation and repeated demands to be kind, temperate, use the right tone etc hides our righteous anger at something like this systematic abuse of children.

mrshoho · 12/04/2024 00:32

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 23:25

A shame that a woman's righteous anger was deleted. I remember reading a conversation between 2 men ages ago about the erasure of women's rights. One of them commented "I'm surprised women haven't burnt the whole place down"
While I'd never promote arson, it was a stark reminder of how our socialisation and repeated demands to be kind, temperate, use the right tone etc hides our righteous anger at something like this systematic abuse of children.

So true and it's always obvious when listening to transwomen speaking that they haven't been conditioned in the same way. I remember watching interviews with Helen Joyce, Sarah Phillimore and others who remained so polite and respectful despite the often aggressive opposition.

UsefulChocReindeer · 12/04/2024 00:58

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/04/2024 18:42

you know it’s only the second day and I’m beyond fucked off with the narrative that we should all just be quiet now with a side order of ‘you’re all still awful even though you were right’

Just let change happen? There would be no fucking change if it wasn’t for the pushback in a very large part orchestrated by and through the women here

and I guarantee if we did all shut up now that change absolutely would not happen

Absolutely this.

I love and support my trans identifying child, but I'm so heartbroken that she thinks her autism can be fixed/ made better through being trans.

So no, we won't stay quiet. It may not be a simplistic "us vs them", but it's certainly us vs those pushing a dangerous and harmful ideology.

RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 01:02

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/04/2024 18:42

you know it’s only the second day and I’m beyond fucked off with the narrative that we should all just be quiet now with a side order of ‘you’re all still awful even though you were right’

Just let change happen? There would be no fucking change if it wasn’t for the pushback in a very large part orchestrated by and through the women here

and I guarantee if we did all shut up now that change absolutely would not happen

Yup.

UsefulChocReindeer · 12/04/2024 01:09

joan12
I think we can all agree it has been an unprecedented, horrific chapter.

But it's hasn't been a horrific chapter because it's not over! The damage and hurt done to these young people is horrific and they are still medicating themselves! Still believing they were "born in the wrong body"! It's far from over for families like us, for our children who will bear the physical and psychological scars of this belief system. For the rest of their life.

PatatiPatatras · 12/04/2024 03:57

I refuse to be silenced.

I will congratulate the Mrs Nobody's and the propulsed into fame for carrying on despite the huge self doubts women are socialised to endure amid the vitriol which was being thrown at them.

I will always tell anyone who tells women as a group, to be more demure and graceful, to do one.

Congratulations ladies and go do one joan.

zaramysaviour · 12/04/2024 04:51

I haven’t had an inch of what JKR, KJK, Kathleen Stock, Jo Phoenix et al have suffered, and yet evenI- a lowly, run of the mill, grass-roots women’s rights campaigner - have been ostracised, criticised, called a Nazi, a fascist, a TERF, a transphobe and run the gauntlet of TRAs waving pictures of fucking GUNS.

“Just let change happen”? Fuck that. So, so many women have fought for this at tremendous personal cost and we will not shut up now. We are knee-deep in “We fucking TOLD YOU SO” territory and we will have that heard loud and clear.

Same. Fucking preach it!

And YY to a PP who says a 'vindication' is now the collective noun for feminists.

Igneococcus · 12/04/2024 05:53

I have no intention to let all the thoughtless, self-satisfied, right side of history, wankers who made snide, belittling and vicious comments about women and men who fought this shit off the hook, ever. I don't usually carry chips on my shoulders for long but I make an exception for this issue. I will not forget.
Alex Massie has been great on this issue for a long time now, also Lucy Bannerman at the Times deserves a mention.

SidewaysOtter · 12/04/2024 06:19

IDontHateRainbows · 11/04/2024 23:24

Why was it removed? For disagreeing with the other poster?

I suspect because it (rightly) told @joan12 to fuck off with the “How campaigners should behave” line.

MFF2010 · 12/04/2024 06:23

joan12 · 11/04/2024 18:04

I'm afraid I think this is a very unhelpful way of looking at this situation. It continues a 'them' and 'us' narrative. Cass's very clear, research and evidence driven report moves us out of this sphere and into a different one. Enjoy your satisfaction by all means of you must but if you do it publicly you will risk a backlash. Personally, I feel sad for everyone involved who was lead up a blind alley, not given proper, evidence based treatment and may now be facing potential life long consequences as a result of 'treatment' that never should have been allowed. Just let change happen, it is for the good of everyone including these vulnerable young people.

Backlash from who? I think the general public will be agreeing with us 🤷‍♀️

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 06:48

I forgot a @joan12 translator.
Ladies, I know you're all feeling excitable right now, but please think about the future. How will you ever get husbands if you insist on continuing with this unseemly nonsense?
Now pick up your embroidery or continue knitting socks for the politicians fighting for our country, please. And women of the "lower order" get back to the kitchen where you belong.

porridgecake · 12/04/2024 07:06

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/04/2024 18:42

you know it’s only the second day and I’m beyond fucked off with the narrative that we should all just be quiet now with a side order of ‘you’re all still awful even though you were right’

Just let change happen? There would be no fucking change if it wasn’t for the pushback in a very large part orchestrated by and through the women here

and I guarantee if we did all shut up now that change absolutely would not happen

Absolutely. The Cass report has already dropped off the front pages, the usual suspects are peddling their own interpretations and women are still being told to to be quiet.
There is still a huge way to go. I listened to The Queens' Speech ( Clive and Dennis) yesterday and thought it set everything out very well.
There has been no public acknowledgement of the sacrifices made by ordinary women.

FrancescaContini · 12/04/2024 07:19

Christ, it didn’t take long to get told off, did it? @joan12 🤬

It’s been a fantastic week thanks to all women who damn well won’t haud their wheesht 💐

doubleshotcappuccino · 12/04/2024 07:25

Fantastic