Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

After the Cass Review what are they going to do about schools?

18 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 11/04/2024 13:27

What are they going to do about the behaviour of activist teachers, who are a minority but an influential one as they have successfully made it impossible for other staff to object to the glamorising of transition and the pushing of it socially, as the activists control the unions

See

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/05/union-against-schools-telling-parents-child-changes-gender/

where not a single delegate spoke against the motion to oppose the recent non-stutory guidance and this is the biggest teaching union.

What are they going to do about the proliferation of LGBT groups in schools where in effect older children are transing younger ones?

What they going to do about all the pro-transition children's books that activist schools and libraries have already stocked? The one's celbrating mastectomies and expressing disgust at healthy, usually female, bodies? This creating of a culture is also surely not a 'neutral act'?

What are they going to do about the middle class parents, convinced their child is trans, trying to bully schools over the single sex facilities or sports, or have other people's children disciplined over pronoun use?

There needs to be a national policy about trans teachers too - should children or indeed other staff have to use pronouns and the Sir/Miss of a teacher's choice? Should that teacher even post surgery or with a GRC be supervising toilets or changing rooms or dorms, or overnight trip rooms, for children of the opposite biological sex.

Just what are they going to do? Conservatives and Labour, if they don't act now with this report hot of the press, will they ever?

Teaching union opposes schools having to tell parents if child changes gender

‘Appalled’ campaigners accuse NEU of undermining child protection by overriding basic safeguarding principles

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/05/union-against-schools-telling-parents-child-changes-gender

OP posts:
Lovelyview · 11/04/2024 13:34

It's going to be an ongoing campaign. Resign membership, campaign to be on committees, talk to delegates and take people to court. Parents can raise issues with schools directly. Cass has given the GC a solid base to campaign on. Social transition is dangerous and safeguarding concerns should be raised about any teacher supporting it.

ChristinaXYZ · 11/04/2024 13:41

Lovelyview · 11/04/2024 13:34

It's going to be an ongoing campaign. Resign membership, campaign to be on committees, talk to delegates and take people to court. Parents can raise issues with schools directly. Cass has given the GC a solid base to campaign on. Social transition is dangerous and safeguarding concerns should be raised about any teacher supporting it.

Agree with all you say but little will really change without statutory changes. The activist teachers are young and will be there for decades. They're angry and indignant and won't lay off the staffroom bullying. Any teacher who is not backed by the senior management (and why would they be, SMT have been cowards) could still loose his or her job, however unfairly, and may have no union backing.

There are two small alternatives for those wanting to leave the two big unions.
Edapt which is edu-legal advice not a full union so Edapt can't accompany you into a disciplinary meeting. And Affinity which does cover education but only as one of many sectors, they're no specialist.

Schools will still promote this culture for years and years unless something is done, and soon.

OP posts:
Lovelyview · 11/04/2024 13:49

ChristinaXYZ · 11/04/2024 13:41

Agree with all you say but little will really change without statutory changes. The activist teachers are young and will be there for decades. They're angry and indignant and won't lay off the staffroom bullying. Any teacher who is not backed by the senior management (and why would they be, SMT have been cowards) could still loose his or her job, however unfairly, and may have no union backing.

There are two small alternatives for those wanting to leave the two big unions.
Edapt which is edu-legal advice not a full union so Edapt can't accompany you into a disciplinary meeting. And Affinity which does cover education but only as one of many sectors, they're no specialist.

Schools will still promote this culture for years and years unless something is done, and soon.

Thanks for the information. I guess local MP? They might be receptive, school board? I assume you're a teacher. It is really difficult but I suppose I feel like Cass has given everyone a chance to re-assess and school boards and head teachers will need to be thinking about how to implement her findings.

ChristinaXYZ · 11/04/2024 13:57

Ex-teacher from a family of teachers and I'm a parent who has seen what damage the students have done to each other in the LGBT group at DCs school, the way they celebrate aqnd pursade and are frightened of havign their own opinions. I know all the little asides that have been dropped by staff convinced JKR is the devil incarnate and that many staff have gone along with social transition. I know how influenced they've been.

I also know that my DCs school is actaully quite mild in its involvment compared with many and that some staff won't use requested pronouns unless parents are involved. Some of my teacher relatives are working in schools were the trans-glamourising is much stronger and social transitioning much more usual.

OP posts:
MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 13:59

The government will have to take some action. Osfted are no longer Stonewall champions and have a new Head. Parents discovering gender woowoo being pushed / children being transitioned need to report this to Ofsted as a safeguarding issue. Cass plus the new guidelines will - eventually - make it impossible for activists to use children in this way.

It wil take ages - Stonewall and trans activist groups have become used to a major income from schools and they won't give that up easily and there are too many teachers using children as an audience for their personal views.

But most of the press are wholesale behind challenging this - the coverage of Cass shows this. Less so the trans compromised BBC / ITV who are yet to prioritise children over the demands of trans activists.

ValancyRedfern · 11/04/2024 14:28

I'm school union rep and active in the NEU and plan to stay that way. The union at my school are very active and effective and I'd be mad to leave. The other union rep and I are both very GC. I've managed to stop a proposed immediate affirmation policy and will continue fighting. I will be asking for a meeting with the Head regarding Cass when we get back. (just need to get through the 300+ pages in between coursework marking!)

Lovelyview · 11/04/2024 14:34

ValancyRedfern · 11/04/2024 14:28

I'm school union rep and active in the NEU and plan to stay that way. The union at my school are very active and effective and I'd be mad to leave. The other union rep and I are both very GC. I've managed to stop a proposed immediate affirmation policy and will continue fighting. I will be asking for a meeting with the Head regarding Cass when we get back. (just need to get through the 300+ pages in between coursework marking!)

That's brilliant. Thanks for what you're doing.👏👋

JeannieDark · 11/04/2024 14:39

I'm a parent at a primary school and planning to ask for a meeting with the head when we return. I don't know what else to do. Our after school provision has already taught my kids that they can change sex which is frustrating enough, luckily I haven't seen anything concerning at the school so far but I'd like to address it in case it's just that my kids are too young and I haven't seen it yet, or in case there are plans to discuss it in school.

SeasideRock · 11/04/2024 14:50

I’m a GC Principal, working in special school, and a long standing NEU member. I’ve had first-hand experience of young people with very complex SN and their families being railroaded into affirmation under the banner of ‘being kind’ 🙄. I’ve had insinuations from national trans-children’s charities that they will make life very difficult for me if I don’t support their affirmative approach rather than watching and waiting. I am so relieved to see the tide is turning. There have been times when it has been genuinely scary to hold the line and do what I professionally know to be the right thing.
I know I am not the only school leader that holds these views and am broadly hopeful about the direction of travel in schools going forward. I am, however, very disappointed in the NEU and currently considered joining another union despite having been a member, and at one point a school rep.

wonderingwhatlifemeans · 11/04/2024 15:02

I was at NEU national conference this year. It is a very emotional and intense experience. Professor Julia Waters had everyone in tears. There is almost an expectation that votes will go a certain way and it takes a strong person to speak against a motion that has a long list of people speaking for it. You also vote publicly by raising a hand which can be quite intimidating.

There have and are some very strong women in the NEU but having seen the way others have been treated may not be ready to make themselves vulnerable. It is the world we now live in.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 15:08

SeasideRock · 11/04/2024 14:50

I’m a GC Principal, working in special school, and a long standing NEU member. I’ve had first-hand experience of young people with very complex SN and their families being railroaded into affirmation under the banner of ‘being kind’ 🙄. I’ve had insinuations from national trans-children’s charities that they will make life very difficult for me if I don’t support their affirmative approach rather than watching and waiting. I am so relieved to see the tide is turning. There have been times when it has been genuinely scary to hold the line and do what I professionally know to be the right thing.
I know I am not the only school leader that holds these views and am broadly hopeful about the direction of travel in schools going forward. I am, however, very disappointed in the NEU and currently considered joining another union despite having been a member, and at one point a school rep.

Well said and thank you for holding the line. Flowers
The disappointment at watching education professionals who I admire, who I know normally are passionate about safeguarding children, buying into this ideology without any thought. Without realising just how bloody dangerous it is to gaslight children that their developing bodies are flawed but a change of sex will cure them.

I'm hoping that Cass & the new guidelines will enable these people to quietly retreat, to abandon the LGBT pride safeguarding busting groups & activities and to return schools to being safe places where children can learn and develop in a boundaried environment safe from queer theory activism.

LizzieSiddal · 11/04/2024 15:19

The government should make their school“guidance”, statutory. It would be criminal not to after Cass.

Xiaoxiong · 11/04/2024 15:37

Even more pertinent, what are they going to do about PSHE lessons that teach kids:

  • Gender identity is real and everyone has one
  • You can change your gender
  • Changing your gender might involve surgery and hormones
  • You must affirm pronouns and new names if your friend "comes out" to you, or risk accusations of bullying
  • That being gay is same gender rather than same sex attraction
While also somehow challenging sexist stereotypes? And what is "gender identity" but sexist stereotypes...
EvelynBeatrice · 11/04/2024 16:42

At an individual level, I expect some parent who is opposed to their child transitioning will seek an injunction to prevent the school from socially transitioning their child on the basis that this cuts across their parental rights and (following Cass ) is arguably not in the best interests of the child. In some cases I’d expect that a formal letter in like terms sent by registered post to the head teacher and copied to the governors etc would now be effective without court action. Of course parents are generally best placed to look after their child’s interests and some will support social transitioning. However I daresay that it’s not for schools to make the call.

WarriorN · 11/04/2024 16:59

IMO the government must make the trans guidance statutory and embed key aspects in KCSIE. ASAP. For September. (Can't see it happening before then.)

In an ideal world there would be a statutory inquiry in all of it but I don't know if that would happen quickly.

I've queried what happened at the conference with those I know who are GC and more active in it. They have been very dismissive of the impact of what was passed there, that it's inconsequential, as they expect the government to make the guidance statutory.

I'm not so sure personally and feel it's been very damaging. The neu are giving the message that they'll be challenging the gov, though I havent seen anything from them about Cass.

I've been reassured that the leadership are essentially GC but it's basically the same scenario as it was under Kevin. And this is partly why no one spoke against it. Too scared. But also, hardly anyone in the neu knew about that motion. It was proposed by a couple of areas. Those of us who perhaps are more knowledgeable about all this tend to be older staff but also tend to have caring responsibilities and don't go to conferences.

Cass has made things easier. @ValancyRedfern you are a total hero!

Wes Streeting has made things easier too too as the neu leadership are very pro Labour.

Leaving is attractive but it won't change the neu and they're huge. I'd rather they changed. It remains to be seen if they do though. Watching carefully.

SchoolGuidanceQ · 11/04/2024 18:44

Did you see this https://x.com/seeninschools/status/1778182458883908071?s=46&t=aj_daoQ4ub5R9J5oRcQ5qA

There’s now a SEEN for schools. I hope they’re talking to the people at Teachers’ Guide to Sex and Gender.

https://x.com/seeninschools/status/1778182458883908071?s=46&t=aj_daoQ4ub5R9J5oRcQ5qA

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 19:16

SchoolGuidanceQ · 11/04/2024 18:44

Did you see this https://x.com/seeninschools/status/1778182458883908071?s=46&t=aj_daoQ4ub5R9J5oRcQ5qA

There’s now a SEEN for schools. I hope they’re talking to the people at Teachers’ Guide to Sex and Gender.

That's great. Hopefully Cass will make is so much easier for them.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page