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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A hot take on the Cass report courtesy of Freddie McConnell

151 replies

GenderBlender · 11/04/2024 07:04

Not quite sure what to make of this one. Freddie welcomes the report and totally agreed with it apparently, but also thinks it has the fingerprints of transphobia on it. Seems vexed that Cass has not unambiguously said that trans kids exist, and that the neurodiversity and mental health challenges are in addition to a teams identity (no explanation given as to why they are so often co morbid).

Seems to be going with the, it's all about waiting lists line that mermaids at al have been spouting.

Totally doesn't get the concept of a systematic review, says lots of research not included, that will be because it was reviewed and found to be shite so not included.

"Cass bemoans the lack of a peer-reviewed evidence base for trans healthcare. Right there with you, Doc (although there is plenty of research you decided to exclude)".

No comment made on the withholding of data by the majority of gender clinics making generating this evidence base impossible.

No comment made on why girls are now presenting much more frequently.

"If the Cass review was held under a black light, we would see the fingerprints of anti-trans ideology. I don’t believe Cass shares this way of thinking, I think she believes in evidence-based healthcare and that trans children exist. However, allowing her review to be so heavily influenced by bias is a critical failure that is hers to own."

So, the battle front is drawn, it isn't actually about gender services, we all totally agree on that apparently. This is about whether we all agree that there is such a thing as trans kids.

I think this is an unwinnable argument, like arguing whether god exists. In my view, from a medical stand point, the starting position has to be that the goal of any treatment for gender confused kids is to help them be more comfortable and live with the body they have. Only when compressive attempts at this have failed, should medical transition even be considered. I don't think this proves that trans kids exist either way, but I think perhaps for a very small number of kids this is the most effective way of relieving their distress.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/11/hilary-cass-trans-children-review

Hilary Cass’s proposals are mostly common sense. She must reject anti-trans bias with the same clarity | Freddy McConnell

By failing to take on clinicians who doubt the very existence of trans people, the review lets down the children and young people it seeks to support, says journalist Freddy McConnell

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/11/hilary-cass-trans-children-review

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StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 08:51

DuesToTheDirt · 11/04/2024 20:20

I know nothing about the misgendering or the breastfeeding.

But the whole idea of claiming to be a man, and being so distraught over any suggestion that you are not a man, and then... giving birth! It doesn't engender much sympathy in me.

This.

If Freddie hated her woman's body so much why get pregnant. Perhaps it was a inner drive to reproduce as a woman because that's what she is. Meanwhile wanting to spread a lie that men can give birth. She is and never will be a man.

TheClogLady · 19/04/2024 10:31

It’s nice of ‘Karen Smith’ to provide anecdotal evidence that non-affirmation of a dysphoric child results in the trans identity receding, rather than in the child taking their own life!

How fantastic for Karen that Karen was able to not take drugs that have dangerous side effects during adolescence and that Karen was able to grow up a healthy, functioning male for many decades before deciding to transition in late life. Perhaps Karen even fathered children during those decades?

viques · 19/04/2024 12:48

It was kind of anon to remind us that not all women speak for all women. True, but I get even more irked when I listen to men kindly speaking for women.

DuesToTheDirt · 20/04/2024 09:56

@Rubidium, just read those letters. As you say - letter from clinician thoughtful and measured, wanting to help the children whatever turns out to be the most appropriate way. "Developing better models to understand aspects of human distress is medicine and science as normal, and is not denying anyone’s existence or rights."

"Karen Smith" - "It would be a tremendous failure if a review of clinical care for young people was allowed to be hijacked in the service of hate."

And another - "To hear the voice of a trans person through the cacophony is sadly a rarity." Seriously? We never hear the voices of trans people? Freddie McConnell got his own TV programme!

Actuallylocaltome · 20/04/2024 10:05

StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 08:51

This.

If Freddie hated her woman's body so much why get pregnant. Perhaps it was a inner drive to reproduce as a woman because that's what she is. Meanwhile wanting to spread a lie that men can give birth. She is and never will be a man.

Why did Freddie have a second baby? I don’t understand this if Freddie hates being a woman or being reminded of her sex. It makes no sense to me.

endofthelinefinally · 20/04/2024 10:16

TheClogLady · 12/04/2024 09:15

Dennis and Clive of the Queens
Speech are great fun and a good reminder that the T doesn’t actually fit on to the end of the LGB - it’s it’s own separate thing.

Dennis founded the Gay Men’s Network and as he’s a barrister by trade he’s particularly good at looking at the legal aspects of trans overreach - Gay Men’s Network have written a couple of really excellent responses to Government consultations and they publish them early so others can use them as a template or to borrow ideas from. Well worth checking out @Actuallylocaltome

https://www.gaymensnetwork.com/

Clive is a retired psychiatric nurse/ tutor. He has done some very interesting videos about some awful criminals. One series was about Fred West.

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 13:15

Actuallylocaltome · 20/04/2024 10:05

Why did Freddie have a second baby? I don’t understand this if Freddie hates being a woman or being reminded of her sex. It makes no sense to me.

Talk about having your gender cake and eating it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 20/04/2024 14:08

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 13:15

Talk about having your gender cake and eating it.

Yep.

Nothing says "living as a man" like getting pregnant and giving birth (twice) does.

Go, Freddie!

It's all about the attention.

Actuallylocaltome · 20/04/2024 15:41

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 13:15

Talk about having your gender cake and eating it.

Would that be a pink or blue cake?

ApocalipstickNow · 20/04/2024 15:51

endofthelinefinally · 20/04/2024 10:16

Clive is a retired psychiatric nurse/ tutor. He has done some very interesting videos about some awful criminals. One series was about Fred West.

Sorry to be off topic, but what channel is this? Thanks

endofthelinefinally · 20/04/2024 15:56

ApocalipstickNow · 20/04/2024 15:51

Sorry to be off topic, but what channel is this? Thanks

If you look for The Queens' Speech on you tube videos you should be able to find links.

ApocalipstickNow · 20/04/2024 16:02

Thank you @endofthelinefinally

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 19:16

Actuallylocaltome · 20/04/2024 15:41

Would that be a pink or blue cake?

Maybe one of those multi layered rainbow ones.

IcakethereforeIam · 20/04/2024 20:35

One of those things that looks like something else but is actually cake. Done badly.

Boiledbeetle · 20/04/2024 21:55

IcakethereforeIam · 20/04/2024 20:35

One of those things that looks like something else but is actually cake. Done badly.

😁

A hot take on the Cass report courtesy of Freddie McConnell
JanesLittleGirl · 20/04/2024 21:57

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 19:16

Maybe one of those multi layered rainbow ones.

I'm seeing a blue/pink Battenburg wrapped in an apricot marzipan and held together with raspberry jam.

IcakethereforeIam · 20/04/2024 21:59

Aw, even I couldn't put a knife in that. I'd just have to shove the whole thing in my gob.

I'll just make a brew first. The big mug.

Boiledbeetle · 20/04/2024 21:59

JanesLittleGirl · 20/04/2024 21:57

I'm seeing a blue/pink Battenburg wrapped in an apricot marzipan and held together with raspberry jam.

Voila

A hot take on the Cass report courtesy of Freddie McConnell
Actuallylocaltome · 20/04/2024 22:03

Feeling very hungry for cake now. Is that an AI generated Battenberg?

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 22:03

Boiledbeetle · 20/04/2024 21:59

Voila

One way to change the colour of the bathroom.

Boiledbeetle · 20/04/2024 22:18

Actuallylocaltome · 20/04/2024 22:03

Feeling very hungry for cake now. Is that an AI generated Battenberg?

Yep. AIs interpretation of Janes cake wish!

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/04/2024 00:14

JanesLittleGirl · 20/04/2024 21:57

I'm seeing a blue/pink Battenburg wrapped in an apricot marzipan and held together with raspberry jam.

TBF that sounds lush

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/04/2024 13:34

Boiledbeetle · 20/04/2024 21:55

😁

Oh!

My!

WORD!!!

That looks DELISH!