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LGB Alliance response to the final report from the Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 10/04/2024 18:18

Even though LGB teens are at the centre of this issue, the University of York’s international survey found that only two out of the ten clinics surveyed broached the subject of sexuality/sexual orientation with its patients presenting with gender distress (p. 135). The York synthesis of international guidelines found that the guidelines issued by the World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH), a pro-affirmation lobby group that has had immense – and we would say, malign – influence on practice in this field in the UK and elsewhere, does not include sexual orientation as a “domain” that should be assessed (p. 135, Table 7).

The often-cited clinical consensus on the benefits of the “gender-affirming” approach is misleading. It is based on a circular process in which WPATH quotes the guidelines of other organisations – which were either prepared with WPATH’s help or based on WPATH’s own guidelines.

It is not commonly known that most of those seeking “gender care” are LGB teenagers, and in particular lesbians. The public perception is doubtless influenced by the fact that LGBTQ+ support groups mainly endorse “gender affirming care” (Appendix 9, p. 7), in which a girl who says she is a boy must be affirmed in that belief. LGB Alliance emphatically rejects that view.

Cass rightly observes that in some strictly religious cultures, being transgender is seen as preferable to being same-sex attracted as it is then perceived as a physical rather than a psychological issue (p. 119).

Most children who are unhappy with their sexed bodies later desist. “A study followed 2,772 adolescents from age 11 to 26. Gender non-contentedness (as defined by the question “I wish to be of the opposite sex”) was high in early adolescence, reduced into early 20s, and was associated with a poorer self-concept and mental health throughout development. It was also more often associated with same-sex attraction when compared to those who did not have gender non-contentedness” (p. 122, from Rawee et al. 2024). They do need time to think, but as Cass points out, “There is no evidence that puberty blockers buy time to think” (p. 32).

A survey of detransitioners found that 23% gave homophobia or difficulty accepting themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual as a reason for transition and subsequent detransition (p. 188). LGB Alliance is pleased that these figures will now finally reach a wider public, but full of sadness and frustration that it has taken so long.

It is extremely worrying that precisely the response recommended by Cass – a holistic approach, involving careful exploration of the underlying issues, is rejected by the secretive but influential Coalition Against Conversion Therapy, chaired by Igi Moon – and by all its many signatories. They regard an exploratory approach as a “conversion practice” and that is what they seek to outlaw with their drive to ban “transgender conversion practices”. LGB Alliance was very pleased to see the recent announcement by the professional organisation UK Council for Psychotherapy (UKCP) that it has withdrawn its signature from the Memorandum of Understanding on Conversion Therapy – and cancelled its membership of the Coalition Against Conversion Therapy – because it rejects the inclusion of minors in the MoU. Hopefully more will soon follow. Cass recommends that clinicians should “seek to understand the child/young person’s emerging sexuality and sexual orientation, consistent with assessments in other adolescent settings, where deemed appropriate to age and context.” (p. 143).

Cass refers to a very worrying situation – in part the result of the efforts by Igi Moon’s group and other “affirmative approach” activist clinicians. That is the reluctance of clinicians to engage in the clinical care of gender-questioning children and young people. They are worried about making the wrong judgment and also express concerns about potential accusations of conversion practice when following an approach that would be considered normal clinical practice [italics ours] when working with other groups of children and young people.

They do make other observations, but thought it important to have the issue that so many young women are thinking they must be trans, and that so many young people seem to be able to think they are trans but not same sex attracted.

ie anti gay and anti lesbian attitudes are still ruining young peoples lives.

They have published their whole statement at https://lgballiance.org.uk/lgb-alliance-response-to-the-final-report-from-the-cass-review/

LGB Alliance response to the final report from the Cass Review - LGB Alliance UK

https://lgballiance.org.uk/lgb-alliance-response-to-the-final-report-from-the-cass-review

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GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 10/04/2024 21:45

"It is extremely worrying that precisely the response recommended by Cass – a holistic approach, involving careful exploration of the underlying issues, is rejected by the secretive but influential Coalition Against Conversion Therapy, chaired by Igi Moon – and by all its many signatories. They regard an exploratory approach as a “conversion practice” "

Unless the MoU goes, therapists will be forced to pretend Cass didn't happen. Glad LGBA mentioned this in their statement. We need to join the dots.

ChristinaXYZ · 11/04/2024 13:04

Thanks for posting OP.

IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 17:13

I really posted because of course for women this has been such an important issue, but just thought we should remember that those who are same sex attracted, or are wondering if they are, are misdirected into thinking they are trans.

When in fact they are just growing up and learning about themselves and coming adulthood.

And adults are abusing their position to inflict their ideology on these young people.

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potofpins · 11/04/2024 17:53

ie anti gay and anti lesbian attitudes are still ruining young peoples lives.

I think it's now clear that homophobia, which many of us thought was on the wane after the 80s and 90s, is still deeply entrenched. Dr Az Hakim talks of encountering it among fellow professionals when he worked at the Tavistock. One has to wonder about the attitudes of all the activist teachers who have focussed on the T and not the LGB. And I'm certain that there are lots of homophobic NHS staff hiding behind rainbow lanyards. One NHS executive lectured me on diversity and inclusion. I raised the fact that the LGB TQ+ action plan proposed by his health board mentions gender in almost every sentence but lacks any reference to lesbians and gay men barring gay male sexual health.

IwantToRetire · 12/04/2024 00:32

Just seen this statement from Lesbian Labour

Lesbian Labour welcomes the Cass review final report and hopes it will now guide Labour to listen and act on evidence instead of to continue to follow the Stonewall script.
https://lesbianlabour.com/our-thoughts-on-the-publication-of-the-cass-report

Our thoughts on the Publication of the Cass Report | Lesbian Labour

https://lesbianlabour.com/our-thoughts-on-the-publication-of-the-cass-report

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potofpins · 12/04/2024 07:33

This jumped out at me from Lesbian Labour's response:

This has been, and continues to be a huge medical scandal. As Dr Cass points out, a staggering 89% of teenage girls and 81% of teenage boys involved in the GIDS clinic, were either homosexual or bisexual. It is an ongoing eugenics experiment which targets Lesbians, Gays and autistic youth. Social engineering.

This is how it feels to many thinking lesbians and gay men — particularly older ones who had to live with the stigma and fought to attain equal rights with the rest of society. I know so many lesbians who are deeply troubled by the thought that if they'd been their younger selves now they would have been encouraged by parents, teachers and social media to start taking testosterone and have their breasts removed.

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