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Surrogacy & GenderWoo now officially condemned in Catholic Doctrine

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NitroNine · 08/04/2024 13:23

The long-awaited Dignitas Infinita has finally dropped and, as the title says, it means that doctrinally, Catholicism is now officially anti-surrogacy & anti-GenderWoo. Not a huge surprise as the Church had been firmly leaning that way, but now there is a definitive position.

The relevant parts (should anyone be disinclined to read the entire thing) are:

SURROGACY:
48. The Church also takes a stand against the practice of surrogacy, through which the immensely worthy child becomes a mere object. On this point, Pope Francis’s words have a singular clarity: “The path to peace calls for respect for life, for every human life, starting with the life of the unborn child in the mother’s womb, which cannot be suppressed or turned into an object of trafficking. In this regard, I deem deplorable the practice of so-called surrogate motherhood, which represents a grave violation of the dignity of the woman and the child, based on the exploitation of situations of the mother’s material needs. A child is always a gift and never the basis of a commercial contract. Consequently, I express my hope for an effort by the international community to prohibit this practice universally.”[92]
49. First and foremost, the practice of surrogacy violates the dignity of the child. Indeed, every child possesses an intangible dignity that is clearly expressed—albeit in a unique and differentiated way—at every stage of his or her life: from the moment of conception, at birth, growing up as a boy or girl, and becoming an adult. Because of this unalienable dignity, the child has the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin and to receive the gift of a life that manifests both the dignity of the giver and that of the receiver. Moreover, acknowledging the dignity of the human person also entails recognizing every dimension of the dignity of the conjugal union and of human procreation. Considering this, the legitimate desire to have a child cannot be transformed into a “right to a child” that fails to respect the dignity of that child as the recipient of the gift of life.[93]
50. Surrogacy also violates the dignity of the woman, whether she is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely. For, in this practice, the woman is detached from the child growing in her and becomes a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others. This contrasts in every way with the fundamental dignity of every human being and with each person’s right to be recognized always individually and never as an instrument for another.

GENDERWOO
Gender Theory
55. The Church wishes, first of all, “to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while ‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ is to be carefully avoided, particularly any form of aggression and violence.”[101] For this reason, it should be denounced as contrary to human dignity the fact that, in some places, not a few people are imprisoned, tortured, and even deprived of the good of life solely because of their sexual orientation.
56. At the same time, the Church highlights the definite critical issues present in gender theory. On this point, Pope Francis has reminded us that “the path to peace calls for respect for human rights, in accordance with the simple yet clear formulation contained in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, whose seventy-fifth anniversary we recently celebrated. These principles are self-evident and commonly accepted. Regrettably, in recent decades, attempts have been made to introduce new rights that are neither fully consistent with those originally defined nor always acceptable. They have led to instances of ideological colonization, in which gender theory plays a central role; the latter is extremely dangerous since it cancels differences in its claim to make everyone equal.”[102]
57. Regarding gender theory, whose scientific coherence is the subject of considerable debate among experts, the Church recalls that human life in all its dimensions, both physical and spiritual, is a gift from God. This gift is to be accepted with gratitude and placed at the service of the good. Desiring a personal self-determination, as gender theory prescribes, apart from this fundamental truth that human life is a gift, amounts to a concession to the age-old temptation to make oneself God, entering into competition with the true God of love revealed to us in the Gospel.
58. Another prominent aspect of gender theory is that it intends to deny the greatest possible difference that exists between living beings: sexual difference. This foundational difference is not only the greatest imaginable difference but is also the most beautiful and most powerful of them. In the male-female couple, this difference achieves the most marvelous of reciprocities. It thus becomes the source of that miracle that never ceases to surprise us: the arrival of new human beings in the world.
59. In this sense, respect for both one’s own body and that of others is crucial in light of the proliferation of claims to new rights advanced by gender theory. This ideology “envisages a society without sexual differences, thereby eliminating the anthropological basis of the family.”[103] It thus becomes unacceptable that “some ideologies of this sort, which seek to respond to what are at times understandable aspirations, manage to assert themselves as absolute and unquestionable, even dictating how children should be raised. It needs to be emphasized that ‘biological sex and the socio-cultural role of sex (gender) can be distinguished but not separated.’”[104] Therefore, all attempts to obscure reference to the ineliminable sexual difference between man and woman are to be rejected: “We cannot separate the masculine and the feminine from God’s work of creation, which is prior to all our decisions and experiences, and where biological elements exist which are impossible to ignore.”[105] Only by acknowledging and accepting this difference in reciprocity can each person fully discover themselves, their dignity, and their identity.
Sex Change
60. The dignity of the body cannot be considered inferior to that of the person as such. The Catechism of the Catholic Church expressly invites us to recognize that “the human body shares in the dignity of ‘the image of God.’”[106] Such a truth deserves to be remembered, especially when it comes to sex change, for humans are inseparably composed of both body and soul. In this, the body serves as the living context in which the interiority of the soul unfolds and manifests itself, as it does also through the network of human relationships. Constituting the person’s being, the soul and the body both participate in the dignity that characterizes every human.[107] Moreover, the body participates in that dignity as it is endowed with personal meanings, particularly in its sexed condition.[108] It is in the body that each person recognizes himself or herself as generated by others, and it is through their bodies that men and women can establish a loving relationship capable of generating other persons. Teaching about the need to respect the natural order of the human person, Pope Francis affirmed that “creation is prior to us and must be received as a gift. At the same time, we are called to protect our humanity, and this means, in the first place, accepting it and respecting it as it was created.”[109] It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception. This is not to exclude the possibility that a person with genital abnormalities that are already evident at birth or that develop later may choose to receive the assistance of healthcare professionals to resolve these abnormalities. However, in this case, such a medical procedure would not constitute a sex change in the sense intended here.

There is also the following subsection on VAWG:
Violence Against Women
44. Violence against women is a global scandal that is gaining increasing recognition. While the equal dignity of women may be recognized in words, the inequalities between women and men in some countries remain very serious. Even in the most developed and democratic countries, the concrete social reality testifies to the fact that women are often not accorded the same dignity as men. Pope Francis highlighted this when he affirmed that “the organization of societies worldwide is still far from reflecting clearly that women possess the same dignity and identical rights as men. We say one thing with words, but our decisions and reality tell another story. Indeed, ‘doubly poor are those women who endure situations of exclusion, mistreatment, and violence, since they are frequently less able to defend their rights.’”[83]
45. Pope St. John Paul II recognized that “much remains to be done to prevent discrimination against those who have chosen to be wives and mothers. […] [T]here is an urgent need to achieve real equality in every area: equal pay for equal work, protection for working mothers, fairness in career advancements, equality of spouses with regard to family rights and the recognition of everything that is part of the rights and duties of citizens in a democratic State.”[84] Indeed, inequalities in these areas are also various forms of violence. He also recalled that “the time has come to condemn vigorously the types of sexual violence which frequently have women for their object and to pass laws which effectively defend them from such violence. Nor can we fail, in the name of the respect due to the human person, to condemn the widespread hedonistic and commercial culture which encourages the systematic exploitation of sexuality and corrupts even very young girls into letting their bodies be used for profit.”[85] Among the forms of violence carried out on women, how can we not mention coercive abortions, which affect both mother and child, often to satisfy the selfishness of males? And how can we not also mention the practice of polygamy? As the Catechism of the Catholic Church reminds us, polygamy is contrary to the equal dignity of women and men; it is also “contrary to conjugal love which is undivided and exclusive.”[86]
46. In this consideration of violence against women, one cannot condemn enough the phenomenon of femicide. On this front, the entire international community must have a coordinated and concrete commitment, as Pope Francis reiterated, “Our love for Mary must help us to feel appreciation and gratitude for women, for our mothers and grandmothers, who are a bastion in the life in our cities. Almost always in silence, they carry life forward. It is the silence and strength of hope. Thank you for your witness. […] But in thinking of our mothers and grandmothers, I want to invite you to combat a scourge that affects our American continent: the numerous cases where women are killed. And the many situations of violence that are kept quiet behind so many walls. I ask you to fight against this source of suffering by calling for legislation and a culture that repudiates every form of violence.”[87]

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VoldeMortlake · 10/04/2024 14:59

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/04/2024 20:37

I'm CofE but am up to my back teeth with the Anglican Church at the moment - as many are.

I may well go over to Rome at this rate.

Edit because I didn't;t like the look of the acronym ATM

Edited

Agreed. But hard-hitting article out today against gender ideology in the Church (particularly Church of England), by an Anglican writer.

https://lgbchristians.org.uk/2024/04/09/humpty-dumpty-sat-on-a-stonewall-reflections-on-inclusive-christianity/

Humpty Dumpty Sat on a Stonewall – Reflections on Inclusive Christianity

Rev. Mike Starkey, Anglican clergyman, journalist, broadcaster, and cultural commentator, breaks the mold with this exceptionally well-observed piece on the 'alphabet soup' and its relationship to Christianity. "The LGBTQ+ acronym has expanded over tim...

https://lgbchristians.org.uk/2024/04/09/humpty-dumpty-sat-on-a-stonewall-reflections-on-inclusive-christianity/

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/04/2024 17:15

VoldeMortlake · 10/04/2024 14:59

Agreed. But hard-hitting article out today against gender ideology in the Church (particularly Church of England), by an Anglican writer.

https://lgbchristians.org.uk/2024/04/09/humpty-dumpty-sat-on-a-stonewall-reflections-on-inclusive-christianity/

Thank you - very interesting article.

Clabony · 10/04/2024 21:35

@VoldeMortlake that was an interesting article. I had not heard of the Rev Mike Starkey. I see that he also has a blog.

PrinceYakimov · 12/04/2024 16:22

Interesting article. It made me think that the Cass Review needs to be a real watershed moment for Christians who are attracted to 'inclusive church'/social justice movements which have been on the fence or enthusiastic about child transition. Jesus in the New Testament is totally unequivocal on the evil of harm to children. It's time for Christians in these movements to take this seriously.

greyonwhitesky · 12/04/2024 16:28

I had expected the church to have the same view as me but for very different reasons, but actually I agree with this argument against surrogacy word for word.
Surrogacy also violates the dignity of the woman, whether she is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely. For, in this practice, the woman is detached from the child growing in her and becomes a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others. This contrasts in every way with the fundamental dignity of every human being and with each person’s right to be recognized always individually and never as an instrument for another

Especially agree with each person’s right to be recognized always individually and never as an instrument for another Which actually crosses over with why GI is so dangerous as it treats women and girls as instruments for males, by making them affirm males.

greyonwhitesky · 12/04/2024 16:32

Ok, having read teh gender woo bit, they are opposed to it for different reasons from me!

VoldeMortlake · 12/04/2024 16:54

PrinceYakimov · 12/04/2024 16:22

Interesting article. It made me think that the Cass Review needs to be a real watershed moment for Christians who are attracted to 'inclusive church'/social justice movements which have been on the fence or enthusiastic about child transition. Jesus in the New Testament is totally unequivocal on the evil of harm to children. It's time for Christians in these movements to take this seriously.

Agreed.

GoodnightAdeline · 12/04/2024 17:13

MyWyndolynne · 08/04/2024 14:12

I feel more and more drawn to God and tradition these days.

I was brought up strictly Catholic and have lapsed and gone back and forth over the years. Essentially I don’t believe the sort of divine deity Catholicism promotes can exist - I believe in science, evolution and biology. But I feel as a loose guide it holds a lot of value, that purely ascribing to a kind of scientific nihilism where nothing is sacred and human beings can control anything they like if it’s possible on paper is a path to misery. It’s like a kind of inevitability that everything we attempt to defy nature as humans goes wrong.

MsGoodenough · 12/04/2024 17:30

Thanks for this OP. I teach in a Catholic school so this adds to my weaponry for fighting the gender woo.

DeanElderberry · 12/04/2024 18:28

Catholicism isn't incompatible with science in general, evolution or even biology.

Abhannmor · 12/04/2024 20:16

The Catholic Church never had a problem with evolution. A priest , Georges Lemaitre first proposed the Big Bang theory.

DeanElderberry · 12/04/2024 20:25

Gregor Mendel, an Augustinian monk was a key early researcher on the principles of heredity.

ArabellaScott · 12/04/2024 20:35

GoodnightAdeline · 12/04/2024 17:13

I was brought up strictly Catholic and have lapsed and gone back and forth over the years. Essentially I don’t believe the sort of divine deity Catholicism promotes can exist - I believe in science, evolution and biology. But I feel as a loose guide it holds a lot of value, that purely ascribing to a kind of scientific nihilism where nothing is sacred and human beings can control anything they like if it’s possible on paper is a path to misery. It’s like a kind of inevitability that everything we attempt to defy nature as humans goes wrong.

Other belief systems are available! It's not a choice between deism and nihilism.

ArabellaScott · 12/04/2024 20:42

VoldeMortlake · 10/04/2024 14:59

Agreed. But hard-hitting article out today against gender ideology in the Church (particularly Church of England), by an Anglican writer.

https://lgbchristians.org.uk/2024/04/09/humpty-dumpty-sat-on-a-stonewall-reflections-on-inclusive-christianity/

Thanks, that's a really good article.

PinkFrogss · 13/04/2024 13:48

Shame they didn’t believe all they’ve written about surrogacy now at the time of the laundries etc. I hope they will work with the government and do their best to help these women now they understand what they were forced to go through, many are still without any compensation.

DeanElderberry · 13/04/2024 14:46

I suspect the Vatican is aiming that document against foot-dragging in religious orders at least as much if not more than at the laity.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/04/2024 14:21

greyonwhitesky · 12/04/2024 16:28

I had expected the church to have the same view as me but for very different reasons, but actually I agree with this argument against surrogacy word for word.
Surrogacy also violates the dignity of the woman, whether she is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely. For, in this practice, the woman is detached from the child growing in her and becomes a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others. This contrasts in every way with the fundamental dignity of every human being and with each person’s right to be recognized always individually and never as an instrument for another

Especially agree with each person’s right to be recognized always individually and never as an instrument for another Which actually crosses over with why GI is so dangerous as it treats women and girls as instruments for males, by making them affirm males.

Excellent post!

Catholicism isn't incompatible with science in general, evolution or even biology.

Indeed - creation is the "what", evolution is the"how". IMO.

Shame they didn’t believe all they’ve written about surrogacy now at the time of the laundries etc. I hope they will work with the government and do their best to help these women now they understand what they were forced to go through, many are still without any compensation.

Absolutely agree @PinkFrogss Froggs - they can't change history, but hopefully they can learn from it and do their best to make what pitiful amends they can. (I say "pitiful"because nothing can compensate for the loss of your child. But acknowledgement of their responsibility will go some way.)

Bluelagoonlover · 15/04/2024 19:35

I really like this article, it makes me feel like the Catholic Church is leading the way. And I'm in.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/04/2024 19:46

Bluelagoonlover · 15/04/2024 19:35

I really like this article, it makes me feel like the Catholic Church is leading the way. And I'm in.

It certainly does!
The C of E certainly isn't leading any ways, the A-holes! except down the rabbit hole of wokery and closed churches.

Edit for autocarrot. Just stoppit, AC- it isn't big and it isn't clever! 😠

TheFallenMadonna · 15/04/2024 19:52

Abortion is the "grave violation of human dignity" described in the paragraph immediately preceding that on surrogacy.

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