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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Misgendering now no longer a crime?

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Tropics4 · 02/04/2024 19:54

So after Police Scotland confirming that JK Rowling will not be arrested or prosecuted for stating biological sex is real hopefully that will bring an end to those trying to criminalise others for misgendering? Personally I don't hate anyone but I like to know I can freely speak the truth without being hated or punished for it myself.

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lonelywater · 02/04/2024 20:03

that was always going to be the acid test. Thanks to JKR, the Babylon blinked first. The wailing and gnashing of teeth in certain quarters must be biblical. Oh dear, never mind.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 02/04/2024 20:06

My concern is that JKR is safe, but the normal person on the street may not be as they simply aren't high-profile.

Well done to JKR for what she has done, but I'm cautious to celebrate just yet.

BringItOnxxx · 02/04/2024 20:06

There's still the non crime hate incident against one's name however to worry about.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/04/2024 20:08

The concept of non crime hate incidents needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

If it is not a crime and not an emergency, it is not a police matter.

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 20:08

It isn't that misgendering is or isn't a crime, tbh.

It's that anyone perceives any act or speech as 'malicious' and stirring up hate.

I'm sure this will help, but it isn't the end of the bloody Act.

RethinkingLife · 02/04/2024 20:10

PaperWalkAndTalk · 02/04/2024 20:06

My concern is that JKR is safe, but the normal person on the street may not be as they simply aren't high-profile.

Well done to JKR for what she has done, but I'm cautious to celebrate just yet.

From what JKR's said about re-tweeting other women so they can be charged together, my instinct is that she'd be the first to say, "Constant vigilance! This has just been the opening salvo in the latest stage of this war of attrition."

PatatiPatatras · 02/04/2024 20:50

NCHI... to be collected like ASBOs

MissingLesbianSpaces · 02/04/2024 22:05

JKR is a true heroine

Tropics4 · 02/04/2024 23:45

The truly chilling part if this new law is that it also applies to words spoken in your own home. I honestly don't have any political allegiance, I would never deliberately hurt anyone's feelings but I draw the line at being compelled to lie.

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moderate · 02/04/2024 23:59

Tropics4 · 02/04/2024 23:45

The truly chilling part if this new law is that it also applies to words spoken in your own home. I honestly don't have any political allegiance, I would never deliberately hurt anyone's feelings but I draw the line at being compelled to lie.

I have no compunction about hurting someone’s feelings if those feelings are pitted against material safety.

Tropics4 · 03/04/2024 00:06

Moderate - I agree, I just mean that it's not the intention i have but probably the outcome if I refuse to be drawn into some fantasy world, a fantasy world that reminds me of the film Jumanji, have we become stuck in this game or have the monsters come out to get us..

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SwordToFlamethrower · 03/04/2024 00:33

PaperWalkAndTalk · 02/04/2024 20:06

My concern is that JKR is safe, but the normal person on the street may not be as they simply aren't high-profile.

Well done to JKR for what she has done, but I'm cautious to celebrate just yet.

Rowling has stated she will repeat, word for word, anything a woman says that got her arrested, and they can be arrested together. So she has got that covered!

Datun · 03/04/2024 00:43

SwordToFlamethrower · 03/04/2024 00:33

Rowling has stated she will repeat, word for word, anything a woman says that got her arrested, and they can be arrested together. So she has got that covered!

She was a bit more specific than that

*"If they go after any woman for simply calling a man a man, I'll repeat that woman's words and they can charge us both at once."

There will, undoubtedly, people who will go over the top, and she won't support that.

MathiasBroucek · 03/04/2024 14:30

Tropics4 · 02/04/2024 23:45

The truly chilling part if this new law is that it also applies to words spoken in your own home. I honestly don't have any political allegiance, I would never deliberately hurt anyone's feelings but I draw the line at being compelled to lie.

But even if you DID deliberately hurt someone's feelings in public, it STILL shouldn't be a matter for the police....

WelcomeMarch · 03/04/2024 15:00

I would actually worry that JKR may not be physically safe from the more obsessive characters in all this. Salman Rushdie wasn't. Ideological obsessions are dangerous.

She's a genuinely brave woman.

(It's quite hard to write that in a way that doesn't sound like a creepy nutter myself.)

Tropics4 · 03/04/2024 15:19

MathiasBroucek · 03/04/2024 14:30

But even if you DID deliberately hurt someone's feelings in public, it STILL shouldn't be a matter for the police....

Absolutely!

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LlynTegid · 03/04/2024 15:32

@WelcomeMarch well put. Think also of Joanna Cherry.

IDontHateRainbows · 03/04/2024 15:35

PaperWalkAndTalk · 02/04/2024 20:06

My concern is that JKR is safe, but the normal person on the street may not be as they simply aren't high-profile.

Well done to JKR for what she has done, but I'm cautious to celebrate just yet.

Hasn't JK said that any woman accused of this crime (for misgendering) , she will say the same words as them and get arrested too?

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