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12 year old wed to 63 year old minister

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Soubriquet · 01/04/2024 22:52

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/01/girl-12-told-dress-teasingly-forced-marry-63-year-old-priest-20569290/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR3TH_xi-NnVgVWcxcSE4ElZmwwKF0qptn30DvJn-kFqvHkkXfvRJ21wJXg

that poor girl. Why is the government turning a blind eye to child marriages? What 12 year old child is old enough to marry and bear children? Shame on the parents for allowing this, shame on the padeo man who married her and shame on all the guests who witnessed it and celebrated

Girl, 12, told to 'dress teasingly' as she's forced to marry 63-year-old priest

The girl must undergo a second ceremony to prepare her for childbearing.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/01/girl-12-told-dress-teasingly-forced-marry-63-year-old-priest-20569290/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR3TH_xi-NnVgVWcxcSE4ElZmwwKF0qptn30DvJn-kFqvHkkXfvRJ21wJXg

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Snowypeaks · 02/04/2024 15:10

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 02/04/2024 08:53

Realistically English history only 100 years ago was completely onboard making young girls mums and selling them off

That’s not accurate. England & Wales only legislated to ban child marriages in the 1920s (previously you could marry from puberty) but it was never at all common for extremely young girls to marry. For much of post-Norman Conquest history, the typical age of marriage was the early to mid 20s. Child marriage mainly affected a handful of upper class women. Our perceptions are skewed because history tends to focus on royalty and the nobility.

That's interesting, I didn't know that. Kind of makes sense, too. You'd want to save up and also marry a person who had acquired useful skills. Certainly in Victorian novels the servant classes seemed to marry as full adults with some sort of work and life experience under their belt. And I gather puberty occurred quite a lot later until fairly recently because kids were thinner on the whole.

In the case of royalty or aristocracy, weren't they were frequently married off or betrothed very young but not expected to have sex until 14/15 at the earliest?

Snowypeaks · 02/04/2024 15:14

I wonder if money changed hands for the girl? I believe in Ghana the prospective husband pays a bride price to the girl's family.

CaterhamReconstituted · 02/04/2024 15:17

Absolutely disgusting and wicked. Let’s hear the multiculturalists justify this…

Snowypeaks · 02/04/2024 15:23

Multiculturalism is great. Without it we wouldn't have curry or pop music or myriad other things which make our lives richer. We can be eclectic about culture, we don't have to get into anything we don't like.

This is just child abuse and there is no obligation to justify this or any other cruelty on cultural grounds. Child marriage isn't even legal in the West African country in which it is happening.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 02/04/2024 15:32

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 02/04/2024 08:53

Realistically English history only 100 years ago was completely onboard making young girls mums and selling them off

That’s not accurate. England & Wales only legislated to ban child marriages in the 1920s (previously you could marry from puberty) but it was never at all common for extremely young girls to marry. For much of post-Norman Conquest history, the typical age of marriage was the early to mid 20s. Child marriage mainly affected a handful of upper class women. Our perceptions are skewed because history tends to focus on royalty and the nobility.

Very early child marriage seems to have gone somewhat out of fashion amongst the British royalty and nobility after the 15th century, due to the example of Margaret Beaufort, mother to Henry VII and grandmother to Henry VIII, who was married off at 12, and pregnant at 13. The birth was very difficult and she never had another child after him. Both then and now, her subsequent lifelong infertility was attributed to damage from the birth, which showed anyone with the wit to listen, that sooner wasn't necessarily better, when it came to getting daughters started on dynastic marriages and heirs.

I remember that when Antonia Fraser published her biography of Henry VIII's wives, she had found contemporary letters from family members to other relatives, counselling against early marriages of their heiresses, because they did not trust particular kings and princes not to consummate the marriages immediately. I don't have the book here, but I recall that one letter writer warned that the girl concerned would "take harm from it", should her betrothed have sex with her following the marriage.

caringcarer · 02/04/2024 15:51

I can't even look at the article. It makes me feel sick. How guests could celebrate the raping of a child is beyond my imagination. The parents need shooting.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 02/04/2024 15:52

Snowypeaks · 02/04/2024 15:10

That's interesting, I didn't know that. Kind of makes sense, too. You'd want to save up and also marry a person who had acquired useful skills. Certainly in Victorian novels the servant classes seemed to marry as full adults with some sort of work and life experience under their belt. And I gather puberty occurred quite a lot later until fairly recently because kids were thinner on the whole.

In the case of royalty or aristocracy, weren't they were frequently married off or betrothed very young but not expected to have sex until 14/15 at the earliest?

Rural working class couples in England would typically marry in their late twenties, to give them time to save for enough to support a family. This resulted in long betrothals, during which they would enjoy a practice called bundling (sleeping together clothed) which I suspect led to every form of non-procreative sex imaginable.

I sometimes think they were better off in that respect than young women today. (Happy 16th! Let the choking and anal commence!). But then I suppose they would have a baby per year during their thirties, so...

Noicant · 02/04/2024 16:31

It’s utterly grotesque, poor child.

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