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Parental alienation expert sanctioned in UK now advising family courts in Ireland

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IwantToRetire · 01/04/2024 18:20

An expert who worked in a recent family law case in the High Court was sanctioned in the UK after the British Association of Counselling and ­Psychotherapy (BACP) found the service she provided ‘fell below the standard that would reasonably be expected of a practitioner exercising reasonable care and skill’.

Karen Woodall, a self-proclaimed ‘parental alienation’ expert, was sanctioned in 2015. She posted on her blog in 2016 that the complaint ‘was made by a client in an out-of-court case’ and was ‘only partly upheld’.

Proponents believe that parental alienation – a highly contested concept – is where a child becomes estranged from one parent as a result of manipulation by the other parent.

The Irish Mail on Sunday has spoken with several parents who say that they have wrongly lost custody or have been forced to share custody with an abusive parent because the concept of parental alienation has been used in their family law court cases.

More details in the article at https://extra.ie/2024/03/31/news/irish-news/family-courts-parental-alienation

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Parental Alienation Expert Sanctioned In UK Now Advising Family Courts

The Irish Mail on Sunday has spoken with several parents who say that they have wrongly lost custody or have been forced to share custody with an abusive parent because the concept of parental alienation has been used in their family law court cases. 

https://extra.ie/2024/03/31/news/irish-news/family-courts-parental-alienation

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Pol1961 · 02/04/2024 15:14

The above article like Kitty Hollands before hand are old hat fake news again - note no victims of parental alienation reported on in her article or Reem Alsalem biased report For the facts please See
https://karenwoodall.blog/2024/04/01/between-stimulus-and-response-lighthouse-keeping-for-parents-in-the-rejected-position/

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/5c5c5-parental-alienation/

https://www.wir-vaeter.at/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/20230602-Analysis-Report-Special-Rapporteur.pdf

Sadly the feminist movement have abandoned alienated children mothers and grandparents whom they were set up to protect from abuse!

Parental alienation expert sanctioned in UK now advising family courts in Ireland
upthehill24 · 02/04/2024 17:18

Woman's Hour on Wednesday 24th January 2024 had an item on the use of 'alienation' theory, against a woman whose ex husband had been s xually assaulting their two little girls. The magic 'A' word was part of a skilled game-playing by the man. [Doesn't it often seem that misogynists and paedophiles and rapists and game players and wife-beaters and grooming rings somehow get great legal advice from others, presumably all in the same 'club'?]

Exactly as planned, in the secret Family Court, he achieved his aim and got the girls into his full time control, to resume what he was doing. The police and social workers had been told by the children exactly why they were afraid of him, and what he was doing to them. [But of course that could not be true. It was just their evil witch mother, doing those evil witch- women's Alienation Spells.]

By a pure fluke, after a while, a completely different child happened to report the same man, for the same thing. Only then did it occur to anyone to wonder if the mother, and the children, had all been telling the truth [Despite all being mere females, and therefore untrustworthy?] His computer history showed he needed a long prison sentence, and some of his films were of him and his daughters, and at least this was not a Secret Court.

We Stand, a victim's organisation, found that 100% of men using the 'Alienation' word got the magic result from Family Court. The woman on Womans Hour spent £50,000 trying to defend her girls. Even from prison, the paedophile father was able to manipulate his status as father to game the courts. No non molestation order is normally given, merely because the father abuses his children. Even when the mother can fund fighting for one, it will be short term. [Because the law has assumed paedophile fathers invariably lose all such impulses, after a few months??] And, it will not have power of arrest, so if he gets hold of the children, police cannot use the non-mol, and must leave the children in his bed.

IwantToRetire · 02/04/2024 17:27

The above article like Kitty Hollands before hand are old hat fake news again

The article is reporting that someone UK courts sanctioned has been providing "epxert" evidence in courts in Ireland.

This is just reporting something factual.

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WhamBamThankU · 02/04/2024 17:30

Alienation is a cause close to my heart. The devastation it causes can't be fathomed unless you're in it. In my case my (male) ex has successfully alienated my daughter from me. The family courts say parental alienation doesn't exist, just alienating behaviours. Even when these have been proven he's gotten away with it because my daughter is so enmeshed in his lies she's the only one who can break this. I'm devastated for her aswell as myself.

Pol1961 · 02/04/2024 17:38

People unaffected do not realise that a child can become so enmeshed with the abusive alienating parent that they actively fear and hate the non abusive alienated parent as in your case.
The videos on this channel by an adult daughter formerly alienated is a must see for any rad feminist who believes that Parental Alienation does not exist - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfzOR3LLqL0fMtz_J_o4vjw

or alienated mother interview https://www.eastcoast.fm/podcasts2/podcasts/the-morning-show/episode/parental-alienation-4-parent-share-her-story-on-the-morning-show/

or alienated grandmother interview
https://www.eastcoast.fm/podcasts2/podcasts/the-morning-show/episode/parental-alienation-grandmother-shares-her-story-with-declan-meehan/

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfzOR3LLqL0fMtz_J_o4vjw

upthehill24 · 02/04/2024 20:20

Yes of course people can 'poison minds' against one another, either deliberately or through a jaundiced opinion, or a mistaken belief. They can, though, have very good reason to want only supervised access to a child. In the case of paedophilic fathers, few people would think it reasonable to allow the man continuing control. In a misogynistic world, the people running courts, and manipulating systems, tend to favour males. That episode of Womens Hour is still available.

The mother knew something was wrong, when the girls began to be disturbed about visiting their father. But she had feared that the father had resumed heavy drinking, which had been the cause of the marriage breakup. (He had, too) It had not crossed her mind that there was the extra element.

The girls eventually explained there was something, not just the drinking, but that they couldn't possibly tell her. She suggested they tell someone else they could trust. That person persuaded them to tell the police. The mother still had not known up to that time.

Then, the police, social workers and courts fell straight into the trap the paedophile had laid of 'predicting' the girls would say it: But, by using the magic never-fail word 'alienation', the entire system turned against the protector and the victims, and played perfectly into his power. Even after conviction for abusing them and other children, the legal system allowed him 'ownership' of the children, and when he left prison, courts let him have sole custody. Fathers sexually abusing children is not especially rare. Protecting paedophile r pists with a never-fail free-pass magic word 'alienation' must be wrong.

(Protecting r pists and paedophiles with never-fail free-pass magic words 'I now identify as female' must also be wrong.)

The obsessive fervour of a now defunct (?) fathers organisation sometimes appeared creepy, red-flaggy and sinister. Their hatred of the mothers and determination to get control of children and get them away from mothers seemed unhealthy, unbalanced, and worrying. The same thing happened with Stonewall, (once a reasonable organisation for helping gay men who were discriminated against, especially with AIDs, especially in America, and, in those years, still with no legal same-sex marriage). Founding member Mathew Parris left, renouncing it, when it was overtaken with the creepiness and the hatred of women and obsession with control of children, and finally when the fetishists turned against ordinary gay men like him)

Pol1961 · 02/04/2024 22:23

upthehill24 · 02/04/2024 17:18

Woman's Hour on Wednesday 24th January 2024 had an item on the use of 'alienation' theory, against a woman whose ex husband had been s xually assaulting their two little girls. The magic 'A' word was part of a skilled game-playing by the man. [Doesn't it often seem that misogynists and paedophiles and rapists and game players and wife-beaters and grooming rings somehow get great legal advice from others, presumably all in the same 'club'?]

Exactly as planned, in the secret Family Court, he achieved his aim and got the girls into his full time control, to resume what he was doing. The police and social workers had been told by the children exactly why they were afraid of him, and what he was doing to them. [But of course that could not be true. It was just their evil witch mother, doing those evil witch- women's Alienation Spells.]

By a pure fluke, after a while, a completely different child happened to report the same man, for the same thing. Only then did it occur to anyone to wonder if the mother, and the children, had all been telling the truth [Despite all being mere females, and therefore untrustworthy?] His computer history showed he needed a long prison sentence, and some of his films were of him and his daughters, and at least this was not a Secret Court.

We Stand, a victim's organisation, found that 100% of men using the 'Alienation' word got the magic result from Family Court. The woman on Womans Hour spent £50,000 trying to defend her girls. Even from prison, the paedophile father was able to manipulate his status as father to game the courts. No non molestation order is normally given, merely because the father abuses his children. Even when the mother can fund fighting for one, it will be short term. [Because the law has assumed paedophile fathers invariably lose all such impulses, after a few months??] And, it will not have power of arrest, so if he gets hold of the children, police cannot use the non-mol, and must leave the children in his bed.

YEs Abusers use the A word just like they use the DV initals too false allegations are rampant throughout the family court system. This does not mean that either domestic violence or parental alienation are not real or that they should be ignored? Judges need to be trained to assess whether it is a false allegation or not do you think? That is the problem

RonaldMcDonald · 03/04/2024 01:23

If an adult can coercively control another adult, then they can certainly alienate a child from a loving and safe parent.
It happened to my mother.
It is highly irritating to be told by Women’s Aid that PA does not exist when your ultra violent father has control of your young brother and is further destroying the family by this separation, continued violence and abuse from a distance.
The PA was worse for us than the living in constant fear with him. It broke my mother and changed my relationship with men forever

Pol1961 · 03/04/2024 07:37

If coercive control or stalking or brainwashing exist we can see how easily influenced children can be manipulated to harte or be in fear of a non abusive mother or father by the alienating mother or father!

Abusers will use false allegations and often do in cases of REAL Parental Alienation - that awful story on Womens Hour is the worst case scenario where a Judge is obviously not trained to detect real Parental Alienation awareness or False Allegations

Many many more cases are in court where the Parental Alienation is continued even after it has been found to be practised by a father or mother - this means the Child will continue to experience abuse with proven long term mental health ACEs and poor relationships in life.

Both False Allegations and Parental Alienation must be addressed

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