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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Helen Joyce and Scotland: "what I’m willing to defend if I’m reported for supposed “hate” or “transphobia"

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RethinkingLife · 01/04/2024 12:50

Thoughtful post is in front of the paywall.

I feel strongly that in the face of such illiberal laws, it’s best to fight on your own turf. We shouldn’t wait until a litigable case presents itself, because the woman in question may be doing a job she can’t afford to lose in a workplace that is unsympathetic. Her social circle and family may be unsupportive, antagonistic or vulnerable – not many women are willing to be arrested in front of their children, or to have those children asked about their mother’s supposedly hatefulness in school. She may not know the law or be able to afford representation, and the facts of her specific case may be less than ideal because she was speaking in the heat of the moment rather than choosing her words with an eye to defending them later, if necessary in court.
Fighting on our own turf means a woman with none of these vulnerabilities taking her time to think what she wants to say and what she is willing to repeat in any situation to anyone. Either nobody complains as a result – and to be sure of that, she will have to put in frequent “subject access requests” asking for any information held about her to both her home police force and to Police Scotland, if the two are not the same.

I’m not suggesting that “misgendering” is some sort of punishment for trans-identifying people I don’t like. I’m saying that when people use their trans identification to trample on other people’s rights, or to argue against other people’s rights, it’s not merely my right to refer to them as their actual sex, it’s my duty. I understand that they may experience this as hurtful, even hateful, and I don’t relish that. I prefer, all else being equal, not to hurt other people’s feelings. But the solution is that they stop infringing on other people’s rights, not that I roll over and accept it. Unavoidable hurt caused as a byproduct of defending human rights is not hateful; it’s morally important.

https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-80/

Joyce activated, issue 80

Today Scotland’s Hate Crime Act comes into force. Transactivists are planning to use it to intimidate women who call “transwomen” men or say sex is real and gender ID isn’t. But I won’t stop saying these things – including about specific “transwomen” w...

https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-80

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crunchermuncher · 01/04/2024 13:29

I love her. She's so thoughtful, logical and eloquent.

RethinkingLife · 01/04/2024 13:38

It's prompting me to think about my list. And having them with me.

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RethinkingLife · 01/04/2024 15:27

Martin Luther had 95 Theses. I've no difficulty thinking that no matter what people's ideology, there are some sticking points such as freedom of speech, thought, and action that would lead them to have at least one or two principles or theses that they would have to defend or they'd lose all sense of themselves.

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ANewCreation · 01/04/2024 19:29

But the solution is that they stop infringing on other people’s rights, not that I roll over and accept it.

This.

terffert · 01/04/2024 19:52

Am I being daft? It seems to me that her sign up for free updates button gives me a screen in which I could put in cc details to pay £5/month, but no way to sign up for free updates.

RethinkingLife · 01/04/2024 20:00

terffert · 01/04/2024 19:52

Am I being daft? It seems to me that her sign up for free updates button gives me a screen in which I could put in cc details to pay £5/month, but no way to sign up for free updates.

No, you're not. There seems to be an error where it swaps from 'free' to 'pay' - I don't know if there's a reliable way to notify her about this.

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teawamutu · 02/04/2024 10:45

ANewCreation · 01/04/2024 19:29

But the solution is that they stop infringing on other people’s rights, not that I roll over and accept it.

This.

Absolutely. I've not seen it expressed so clearly before.

RethinkingLife · 02/04/2024 11:26

Is HJ's list helping anyone to consider their own points that they're willing to defend?

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teawamutu · 02/04/2024 12:05

It is, Rethinking. I'm resolving to adopt it and try to be braver.

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