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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Human rights of trans people - Council of Europe - does it apply to UK?

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IwantToRetire · 01/04/2024 01:11

... Recognise the identity of trans school-age children and students in school settings, regardless of their legal gender/sex, including by allowing them to use their own names and pronouns, dress as they wish, and participate in sports and other activities according to their gender identity and expression.

... According to the commissioner, ‘national policies governing participation in sports should start from a position where trans people can participate according to their gender identity’. Meanwhile, we are told that everyone should be able to use ‘sanitation facilities’ according to their ‘gender identity’. The lunacy extends, of course, to prisons, where ‘unless they disagree, trans people should, in principle, be detained in accordance with their gender identity’.

... Of course there is a conflict, even over the meaning of the word ‘woman’. But, on that note, the commissioner has bought into the ideology hook line and sinker. She relegated women to a subclass when she wrote, ‘ensuring that trans women benefit from the same protection as all other women extends the reach of these protections and does not diminish them for cisgender women’.

The article goes on to say:

... While the UK has left the European Union we are, however, still members of the Council of Europe. Issue papers, not to mention resolutions of PACE (the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) impact us directly. Back in 2016 when self-identification of legal gender – another Mijatović recommendation – first raised its head in a House of Commons debate, Maria Miller MP cited an earlier Council of Europe resolution to justify the demands that her women and equalities committee was making on the government.

Is this right? ie is the UK still governed by the COE? Is the ECHR part of it. (Googling just brings up confusingly written articles.)

PS I hope the author of the article wont distract from the content as I really want to know how the UK is or might be impacted by this!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wed-be-wise-to-ignore-the-council-of-europes-transgender-nonsense/

This is the document https://www.coe.int/cs/web/commissioner/-/human-rights-of-trans-people-increased-visibility-and-legal-recognition-contrast-with-lived-experience-of-discrimination-violence

Human rights of trans people: increased visibility and legal recognition contrast with lived experience of discrimination, violence

Issue Paper “Realising the rights of trans people is a matter of applying human rights equally to everyone, and states have the primary responsibility to lift the barriers trans people are...

https://www.coe.int/cs/web/commissioner/-/human-rights-of-trans-people-increased-visibility-and-legal-recognition-contrast-with-lived-experience-of-discrimination-violence

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Precipice · 01/04/2024 01:18

Yes, ECHR is a Council of Europe convention. EU countries have to accede to the ECHR, but it's still not an EU instrument.

UK is still a member of the Council of Europe, as is basically every other country in Europe. The exceptions are Russia (which used to be a member before it invaded Ukraine), Belarus and Vatican City.

IwantToRetire · 01/04/2024 02:06

Precipice · 01/04/2024 01:18

Yes, ECHR is a Council of Europe convention. EU countries have to accede to the ECHR, but it's still not an EU instrument.

UK is still a member of the Council of Europe, as is basically every other country in Europe. The exceptions are Russia (which used to be a member before it invaded Ukraine), Belarus and Vatican City.

Thanks - too many articles just with initials made me loose focus.

Appreciate your clarification.

So looks like we need to look into this more.

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NitroNine · 01/04/2024 02:16

The full paper is an absolute doozy. I can’t begin to break it down now but the thing is an embarrassment.

It’s just a big chain of “we used this flawed method to back up this mad claim” & repeating they’re not trying to give trans people special/extra rights. I assume that’s meant to work like subliminal messaging because it’s fecking ridiculous. Things like not just having self ID but including children in it too 🤦‍♀️

The whole paper is about prioritising trans people - especially TW, very clearly - & denying that this impacts on anyone else. That’s a big lie made up by the “well-organised & well-funded anti-trans” campaign[er]s.

Jaysus.

Honest to God, you’ve to read the whole thing, it’s almost on a par with the Trans Health Manifesto for sheer lunacy & entitlement. Somehow, though, this has come from someone in a position of actual authority 😵‍💫

PriOn1 · 01/04/2024 05:32

So another powerful organisation whose rhetoric is entirely out of step with public opinion. I hope there is public and press reaction in the UK condemning this, as there should be. It is very worrying how many of these powerful international bodies are entirely caught up in this agenda though.

IwantToRetire · 01/04/2024 18:09

Certainly from the quotes in the article it looks like it is almost a caricature of a Stonewall briefing paper.

I wonder why more haven't picked this up?

I imagine the future Labour Government will find this very useful. Sad

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