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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
guinnessguzzler · 25/03/2024 07:58

Utterly grim. Honestly there are times I just think, why can't we have nice things? Why does some dick (literally) always have to turn up to spoil it? Some of the examples in that article are horrific.

ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday · 25/03/2024 08:25

My dd (now 20) was spiked by a needle in a nightclub when she was 18. Her friend had to drag her down some stairs and into a taxi to the hospital At the hospital they said that they didn't bother recording the statistics as she hadn't been raped or assaulted.

That's what they said to my eighteen year old daughter.

Six months later the friend she was with was raped at a small house party by a sixteen year old stranger. He followed her into a room when she was getting something from her coat and pushed her down and raped her.

She didn't report it because of the hospital incident.

Helleofabore · 25/03/2024 08:27

Flowers pool for you, your DD and her friend.

UltraLiteLife · 25/03/2024 12:54

It's baffling why so comparatively few women care to put themselves forward for public life.

Baffling.

MarieDeGournay · 25/03/2024 17:14

Two things spring to mind:
One was a TV programme about online sexual grooming/abuse of girls, where a detective said it was so common that there wouldn't be enough prison cells in the UK to accommodate all the perpetrators, if they caught them.
The second thing is: what part of 'Don't give smartphones to under 16s' do people still not get?

Igmum · 25/03/2024 17:20

That's so awful @ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday and yes who'd be a teenage girl, or stand for Parliament or be a public figure? And why the effing hell don't they take action? Execute a few and the numbers doing it will go down rapidly (sorry, not feeling very tolerant after reading that story).

Precipice · 25/03/2024 17:31

MarieDeGournay · 25/03/2024 17:14

Two things spring to mind:
One was a TV programme about online sexual grooming/abuse of girls, where a detective said it was so common that there wouldn't be enough prison cells in the UK to accommodate all the perpetrators, if they caught them.
The second thing is: what part of 'Don't give smartphones to under 16s' do people still not get?

And yet the definition of hate crime is being extended (but not to women), because there's police time for that, even if the 'hate' is a contentious opinion. But not for actual harassment or sex crimes?

UltraLiteLife · 25/03/2024 17:32

MarieDeGournay · 25/03/2024 17:14

Two things spring to mind:
One was a TV programme about online sexual grooming/abuse of girls, where a detective said it was so common that there wouldn't be enough prison cells in the UK to accommodate all the perpetrators, if they caught them.
The second thing is: what part of 'Don't give smartphones to under 16s' do people still not get?

In the US, part of their response to prison conditions and over-crowding is a widespread use of GPS and similar trackers. I don't know what the set-up is in the UK but it's common for people in the US (on remand or as part of probation) to have to pay for their tracker services (it's expensive). People have to notify a hotline if they go anywhere outside their agreed routes (e.g., work, to visit the doctor, see family etc.).

The exception seems to be those prisoners on remand who've not yet been charged. They can be released on bond after a set number of days is exceeded (that is a disgrace to be held for so long but it's a separate issue) and they tend not to be charged for their ankle monitors, trackers etc.

Long way to say, let's not overlook the potential of e-carceration. I'd strongly oppose it but I'd at least like this society to consider more options before shrugging off this harmful issue. I'm saying this while knowing that there's no way to stop online access for most adults so it wouldn't make a difference but at least let's discuss some sort of penalty or remedial education.

ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday · 25/03/2024 18:27

Igmum · 25/03/2024 17:20

That's so awful @ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday and yes who'd be a teenage girl, or stand for Parliament or be a public figure? And why the effing hell don't they take action? Execute a few and the numbers doing it will go down rapidly (sorry, not feeling very tolerant after reading that story).

I was boomeranging between furious and devastated. They spent their eighteenth birthdays in lockdown and as soon as they dipped their toes into the world...bam.

I can't get past her being in the hospital, eighteen and drugged, and being told it wasn't even recorded as a statistic, let alone an actual crime.

Igmum · 25/03/2024 18:30

I wonder whether the hospital would have reacted differently if she had been an 18 year old white heterosexual lad?

WaterWeasel · 25/03/2024 18:55

ItsNotAPoolBasedHoliday · 25/03/2024 08:25

My dd (now 20) was spiked by a needle in a nightclub when she was 18. Her friend had to drag her down some stairs and into a taxi to the hospital At the hospital they said that they didn't bother recording the statistics as she hadn't been raped or assaulted.

That's what they said to my eighteen year old daughter.

Six months later the friend she was with was raped at a small house party by a sixteen year old stranger. He followed her into a room when she was getting something from her coat and pushed her down and raped her.

She didn't report it because of the hospital incident.

This has made me so furious. I am so sorry that this happened to them both.

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