Keir Starmer unable to define a woman AGAIN

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Suspect that the Sun doesn't care that much about women's rights, and are only trying to score points against Starmer. But his reply (if accurately reported is so avoiding in any way accepting women as biological females. And this will be our next PM.

Reading out questions of Sun readers, Political Editor Harry Cole asked the Labour chief if he still believed men can have cervixes and women can have testicles.

Asked again about his position on trans women and whether they can be defined as women, Sir Keir said: "We set out our position very clearly..."

He added: "Everybody knows there is a difference between sex and gender. I absolutely understand that and respect that. We will not be going down the road of self identification."

He went on:"As you well know the overwhelming majority of women, it's a biological issue...

"There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse.

"I think most people would say if we can find a way to be respectful to all the women we must properly respect and we have defended their rights and advanced their rights as a party, as a movement for many, many years and we will continue to do so, then fine.

"But we won't and I don't think we should simply abuse ignore, make fun or mock..."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26845883/keir-starmer-transgender-women-define-is/

Absolute nonsense. It won’t decide the election however much you clearly want another 5 years of this hellish Tory government who have done far more to destroy women’s lives than KS trying not to get into a culture war 🙄.

I don't think it will "decide" the election.

I think depending on how much coverage it gets during the campaign it will make a small % of Labour voters vote Conservative and a slightly larger number stay at home or vote for an independent (or KJK's party depending on how many seats they contest).

I strongly reject the framing of this issue a "culture war". It's as valid a reason to base your vote as any other. Government isn't just about economics, education & health, and if you feel that the 2 main parties policies aren't especially different in these areas (as unlikely ally Owen Jones now seems to feel) then it makes more sense to vote based on issues that you care about on which the main parties do actually differ.

I didn't mention the Tory's complete lack of action on women's rights so I must be a supporter? Are you five? I have no intention of voting for either of them, and since I am in a Labour safe seat my protest vote will definitely not lead to another Tory victory, although the coercive attempt to suggest that women choosing to vote on this issue will have that effect is not lost on me.
Penny Mordant is no better or worse than starmermaids and I can distrust them both simultaneously!

However, it is very good to know that intuitively what we expected was confirmed. That Starmer has not changed his definition of a woman at all. Despite being told vehemently that he had 'listened' and changed.

No. He had not.

So he said Labour won’t have self ID , but what he did not say ( in his word salad ) is what will be the criteria for obtaining a GRC . Don’t take us for idiots . We need straight answers . From all parties . I want a straight question answer session on all things “ gender “ related by some prominent womens rights campaigners to the party leaders . Before the election !

It sounds like Keir Starmer is saying that transwomen with a GRC will be allowed into female sports, toilets and changing rooms etc. under Labour. Or at least that is the sub text.
I think he is a real TWAW believer.
Interesting that he is complaining about the Nike England flag change. I suspect he is afraid that this is going to be an election issue.
If he thinks trying to say two things at once is going to work, I find it hard to see him as Prime Minister calibre. He would be better saying nothing.

I'm going to hold my nose and vote Conservative on this issue alone. Fucking hell, I've never done that in my life before.

The better question would be 'is it right that eddie izzard uses women only facilities?'

He can then either explain why he thinks its ok for men to follow girls into public toilets, or explain how he intends to stop it.

I hope you have an umbrella big enough to protect you from the shitstorm of abuse you're about to receive from the right side of history.

Was thinking the same. Will come from the camp who tell us this isn’t an issue that could sway the election, while simultaneously shitting themselves and getting really angry that anyone might vote Tory.

I'd prefer a similar session but with the leader and the most CG MP from each party. I'd really like to see what Sir Kier has to say to Rosie Duffield.

He is defining it … you just don’t like what he’s said.

Picture a man going to work, paying his mortgage, watching Eastenders and complaining about the price of gas and electric. If that was the most offensive thing in Britain today because he used to go by “Kate”, then we would actually be in a much better state because I could do things like get a dentist or take my little ones to the Surestart centres.

Give your head a wobble; they are just as boring as us. I’ve had many actual men touch me without consent and mansplain to me and none of them were wearing skirts. It’s all division tactics.

The video is much worse. "Kiersplaining" is right.

It's not that he can't define woman. It's that he won't.

Who's yanking his chain? That's the question.

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Another good question would be 'How is it possible to have female only services when the state gives men female id?'.

Everyone is entitled to vote for whom they please! I am not shitting myself over the fact that a few posters will be voting Tory. 19% of the electorate will be, so not surprising that a similar % on MN will too.

Personally, I am not voting Labour, nor Tory (though would hold my nose and vote Labour to keep a Tory out).

Bar some sort of huge upset, Labour is going to win the GE. I stand by my view that the majority of voters are not basing their decision on the issue of how KS defines a woman. We will see what happens in the next few months...

Yes. I often find the questions as frustrating as the answers. That's why Beth Rigby's questioning of Iain Anderson was so refreshing.
Alot more could be done with more specific and effective questioning like the one you suggest here, illinivitch

"I stand by my view that the majority of voters are not basing their decision on the issue of how KS defines a woman. We will see what happens in the next few months"
@IClaudine I'd agree at the moment. Assuming nothing much changes, it seems pretty clear that the big issue will be the ME. Particularly in some traditional Labour constituencies. I think not haemorrhaging votes there will be the LP's big concern, particularly if the campaign to fund pro-Palestinian independent candidates gathers steam.

"The problem, Sir Keir, is the GRA. It's a bag o' shite, isn't it?" As soon as you introduce this absurd legal fiction, you're in big trouble, aren't you?"

I'm sure more 'pro-Palestinian independence' candidates being selected will be a massive relief and boost to the suffering people of Gaza right now.

Every time I begin to think I will vote Labour in the GE to help get the Tories out, Labour themselves manage to convince me not to.

The local elections will be an indicator of the general direction of political travel. Tories will get their asses kicked, Labour will do well and Khan will be re-elected is my prediction.

I wonder if this is going to feed into ‘shy Tory’ syndrome at the GE. Am I actually going to vote Tory - probably not, but I’m quietly thinking about it and if I do I’ll probably lie about it to avoid social awkwardness. I am 100% decided that, for the first time in a GE, I won’t be voting Labour. I’m not telling anyone that either except people I’m really close to.

It is an election deciding issue. Of course lot's of people don't care about the issue itself but as it will be brought up in every interview Starmer has, he will end up looking like a total plank in every interview he has. 100% of the time he will look stupid and shifty. And people will not vote for a shifty fool. A man lost an election on the strength of looking a pratt when he ate a bacon sandwich.

So do you think Labour is going to lose the GE to the Tories?

I notice he gave the are transwomen women question a sharp swerve!